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Old April 20 2013, 02:50 PM   #211
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The geological upheaval of 2030 could have tucked that river 300 meters down under.
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Old April 20 2013, 02:51 PM   #212
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There was a terraforming plan but it failed and the technology was released uncontrollably
According to the historical background on the main site, the Votans expected Earth to be devoid of intelligent life, so they thought they'd be terraforming a world that was free for the taking. Once they found out there were already inhabitants, they put their terraforming plans on hold as they negotiated with Earth's governments for settlement rights, and then they only planned to terraform the regions of the planet that they'd been granted as enclaves (though there was certainly controversy about it on both sides). The Pale Wars intervened and no deliberate terraforming efforts were ever made. But in 2030, some unknown event caused the Arks to explode and the Terra-spires to be released, causing an out-of-control global terraforming event that killed huge numbers of both humans and Votans.

It seems like there's some unknown player that's an enemy of both the humans and the Votan immigrants -- that's responsible both for smuggling the Volge aboard the Ark fleet and for destroying the Arks.
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Old April 20 2013, 03:39 PM   #213
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^^^All the races and ethnicities of America need to unite against the true enemy, who is wholly and irredeemably evil, yet gifted with literally fantastic powers of subversion so that, despite being minuscule in numbers, they pose an existential threat. We all know how existential threats justify the remorseless exercise of power untrammeled by the morality reserved for our kind.

This doesn't make Defiance a feel-good story for everyone.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:20 PM   #214
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However, we know that
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Old April 20 2013, 08:22 PM   #215
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Yeah, I am curious if the spoiler is going to tie into the destruction of the Arcs.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:39 PM   #216
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However, we know that
Except that the Volge were never suppose to be on the ARKs to begin with, so the main power player isn't human - unless they go in a very strange Star gate direction.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:44 PM   #217
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^Or unless the people who smuggled the Volge onto the Arks 5000 years ago are a different group of bad guys from the ones who are conspiring against Defiance in the present. Not impossible, but it seems unlikely that the series would have two entirely unrelated conspiracies unfolding.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:48 PM   #218
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I doubt that the same people who are working against Defiant put the Volge on the Arcs, but I wouldn't be surprised if the two groups are working together.
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Old April 20 2013, 09:14 PM   #219
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All I know from the pilot is I wouldn't doubt there are in fact three bad teams.

I think the show has too much drama. There is the underground criminal element with the vampire who wants to kill the fat guy for some reason. Then you have the human conspiracy from the ex-mayor, and the organization that placed the Volge on the ARK to begin with.

The first one is probably our A story, our B story is the human conspiracy, and our meta story is the third one.

Edit: I'm not spending $60.00 on an MMO ever again specially one with transactions, so.... has anyone played the game. I'm curious how it is and how 'typical' it is more an MMO.
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Old April 20 2013, 09:24 PM   #220
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Were the Volge smuggled? Or, did they make it aboard a ship themselves. I guess, I missed the part when it was determined, since everyone says the former
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Old April 20 2013, 09:26 PM   #221
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Where the Volge smuggled? Or, did they make it aboard a ship themselves. I guess I missed the part when it was determined since everyone says the former
No one knows but the Arks were absolutely massive and there were a lot of them. So they probably got hidden in cargo holds labeled as containing other things
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Old April 20 2013, 09:56 PM   #222
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I'm pretty sure one of the descriptions I read specifically said they were smuggled aboard.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:05 PM   #223
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I'm not spending $60.00 on an MMO ever again specially one with transactions, so.... has anyone played the game. I'm curious how it is and how 'typical' it is more an MMO.
First off: there's no subscription fee, so factor that into your price calculations. So far the transactions don't seem to impact gameplay in any sort of "pay to win" fashion - cosmetic items, inventory space, 10% boosts to XP/money earned, or a random loot box (that can also be purchased with in-game resources).

It's an MMO third-person shooter, not an MMORPG. There's a definite main story to drive you forward (unlike what I remember of leveling in WoW), as well as side quests you can do. Loot is only visible to the player it dropped for (no rolling). No world PvP (only instanced, like battlegrounds). There's world boss fights (no grouping - everybody participating gets rewards at the end automatically) and group instances (with a group finder - something TOR screwed up royally).

Asides from the TPS-versus-RPG aspect, I would say it's very similar to WoW. How that's typical versus other MMOs I can't speak to.

If you have more specific questions, I can try to answer them.
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Old April 20 2013, 10:18 PM   #224
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An odd choice for the MMO is that only humans and Irathients (the species that Irisa, Nolan's daughter, is) are playable. One would have at least assumed the Castihans would also be playable given the attention the pilot gives to Datak Tarr and his family; while Indogene are likewise humanoid enough to work (and the Sensoth and Liberata fit standard MMO body types).

I suspect that if the game is a success they probably plan to add some of those races in expansions, similar, again, to Warcraft's model.
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Except that the Volge were never suppose to be on the ARKs to begin with, so the main power player isn't human - unless they go in a very strange Star gate direction.
[spoiler]Well the <i>original</i> conspiracy could not have involved humans, but the point is the presence of the Volge does not necessitate the existence of a ninth species.[/spoiler]
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Old April 20 2013, 10:42 PM   #225
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ThunderAeroI wrote: View Post
I think the show has too much drama. There is the underground criminal element with the vampire who wants to kill the fat guy for some reason.
Tarr and McCawley are rivals because they're the two richest people in town and each wants what the other has. There's probably a racial element as well, with McCawley not being too fond of the alien interlopers (and if so, that makes it interesting that they cast a Native American actor in that role).


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An odd choice for the MMO is that only humans and Irathients (the species that Irisa, Nolan's daughter, is) are playable. One would have at least assumed the Castihans would also be playable given the attention the pilot gives to Datak Tarr and his family; while Indogene are likewise humanoid enough to work (and the Sensoth and Liberata fit standard MMO body types).

I suspect that if the game is a success they probably plan to add some of those races in expansions, similar, again, to Warcraft's model.
Reposting my comments from another forum:

I think it makes sense that the players would be mostly Humans and Irathients. For one thing, those are the two most numerous species on post-Arkfall Earth. We've seen that Castithans can be fighters, so they could be a third player category. But as for the other species: Indogenes are more thinkers than fighters; Liberata are diminutive; Gulanee are rare and incorporeal (though I gather that one does appear as a "level boss" or something); and Volge seem to be pretty much everyone's enemies, so they couldn't play the same story role as a human or Irathient player character. Sensoth are big, strong, and capable of aggression as we saw with Tarr's henchman in the pilot, but they're rather slow-moving, and from the demo, there's a lot of running in the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if Biomen showed up as a playable category at some point, though. They seem to be just the sort of thing that would be created for the sake of the game more than the show.
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