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Old April 20 2013, 05:41 AM   #196
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Re: The Defiance Thread - News about the Show and Game

Why anybody would attack through a choke point like that canyon. I suppose all military science disappeared along with the concept of hand thrown HE? It would have been easier to suspend disbelief if the village had been shown to be down in a crater with only one way in.

Also, did everyone omit to say what was being mined?

On the other hand, the framing shots were imaginative, with great effect.

And if Fionnula Flanagan's Magic Kazoo is about killing off all the aliens, then the hint of a continuing storyline actually addresses the theme of racial tolerance/racial war.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:01 AM   #197
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Defiance is 200 meters above Saint Louis (How the frakk big is the arch? 630 ft (192 m) Thank you!).

The old city was buried.

Similar to Waterworld, maybe they're just mining for the past?

Their city is built on top of thousands of buildings and hundreds of thousands of homes and millions of cars and busses.

Why mine for new metal when you can just recycle the metal that's already been processed?

Unless Saint Louis wasn't buried so much as struck by a targeted meteor that is rich in valuable resources.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:42 AM   #198
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If the city was buried, the arch would be buried with it.

The arch is not buried, ergo the city is not buried.

The city is gone because St. Louis is the gateway to the West. Which is metaphorically what the arch is, a literalization of the notion of a gate to the West.

In one sense, Defiance is setting itself up as an SF alternative to the real history of the country. Instead of a genocidal war, racial tolerance. In principle, democratic governance could be part of the package. But the show seems to want to stick with the Strong Man motif of so many Westerns. By literalizing the different races as genuinely alien, the show risks (or wants?) raising genocide as a moral choice worthy of serious consideration.

Nolan's relationship with the girl would have pedophile overtones if she didn't seem like a hard, high-mileage adventuress in her mid-twenties.
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Old April 20 2013, 06:46 AM   #199
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That's not the whole arch.

That's the top of the arch.

In the show the arch does not look 193 meters tall.

The first 93 (up and down, what the hell does that mean for side to side?)meters are under the surface.

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In the “Defiance” story, St. Louis was buried — essentially, paved over — by the geological upheaval of 2030. “Portions of the city remain intact, deep underground — a place known as Old St. Louis,” Syfy explains. “Scavengers have picked the remains clean, and few people go there anymore. Not only is the way down dangerous, but the memories are just too painful (and) the sound of the Mississippi River still running in the darkness is kind of creepy.”
Why isn’t the Arch completely buried? It was “thrust upward,” Murphy explains, and is about two-thirds above ground.

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Old April 20 2013, 06:55 AM   #200
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Nothing is scaled properly on the show I think. But the arch is clearly the same shape, which is to say, unburied.
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Old April 20 2013, 07:25 AM   #201
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Look up.

I added some hard data to support my position.
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Old April 20 2013, 08:40 AM   #202
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Two thirds above ground vs. buried?

"thrust upward"....
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Old April 20 2013, 08:55 AM   #203
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Is that Mountain range they held indicative of walking distance from Saint Louis?

When they say geological upheval, it sounds like they're talking about something natural that happened, like a super quake, which could have been the Arcs frakking with tidal forces or maybe the teraformers wanted to make mountains for some ungodly reason because one of the species liked mountains a lot...

Maybe this only seems like bad fake science becuase we're in the dark about some key elements?
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Old April 20 2013, 09:07 AM   #204
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The Arch does stand on land that rises above downtown St. Louis (it's something of an impromptu levy above the Mississippi River). It's conceivable that several feet of earth can cover the entire downtown area and the Arch would still be standing.
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Old April 20 2013, 09:28 AM   #205
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All those buildings beside the arch are covered up completely as the Arch which was launched at least a hundred feet in the air and then caught by what ever landslide like a left out field fly... As well as the ocean? Is that the ocean or a lake?

Oh...

"Riverfront".
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Old April 20 2013, 01:36 PM   #206
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I wish it was set in the UK and had a Wyndham vibe. Rather than an after school special vibe. Yes I know there was a brothel, I'm just finding it too american heartland. The mayor is totally dull.

Irisa looks so much like a gaming character it distracted me.

Looking forward to the next episode, quite happy there's a conspiracy deal. I hope it gets kind of trashy and interesting.
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Old April 20 2013, 01:38 PM   #207
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I see everybody talking about the terraforming as if it were an intentional thing; it wasn't. It was the accidental result of sabotage - suspected by both sides of being caused by the other - and was the event - Arkfall - that finally brought the Pale Wars to an end.
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Old April 20 2013, 01:50 PM   #208
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I see everybody talking about the terraforming as if it were an intentional thing; it wasn't. It was the accidental result of sabotage - suspected by both sides of being caused by the other - and was the event - Arkfall - that finally brought the Pale Wars to an end.
There was a terraforming plan but it failed and the technology was released uncontrollably

The underground city will be featured in next Monday's episode
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Old April 20 2013, 01:51 PM   #209
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I like underground cities

At least this isn't NYC and there won't be any inevitable bits of Lady Liberty sticking out of the rubble.
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I see everybody talking about the terraforming as if it were an intentional thing; it wasn't. It was the accidental result of sabotage - suspected by both sides of being caused by the other - and was the event - Arkfall - that finally brought the Pale Wars to an end.
Perhaps I was not attentive enough as a watcher . Or I could say they failed in their burden to show me in the presented story

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All those buildings beside the arch are covered up completely as the Arch which was launched at least a hundred feet in the air and then caught by what ever landslide like a left out field fly... As well as the ocean? Is that the ocean or a lake?

Oh...

"Riverfront".
They picked St Louis and San Francisco because of iconic land marks of the respective cities. But then I was looking at a mountain range and my first thought was where is the river, anything that did that would have devastated everything. I guess that was another thing I missed, there was a body of water outside of Defiance?
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