Cumberbatch talks John Harrison [spoilers]

[Ovation]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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Not in the least, because Cumberbatch elaborates to indicate that he's not talking about literal "powers" like mind control or telekinesis.

Really? Was that in the video (that I cannot see from my location)? It isn't in the text of the accompanying article.

Khan in "Space Seed" was clearly as accustomed to leading by persuasion and/or seduction of one kind or another as by intimidation or force.

In fact, Cumberbatch's description of the villain leaves some version of Khan as a possibility and rules Mitchell out.

I never bought into the Mitchell scenario, but frankly, at least here, the probability that it is Khan is not especially compelling either. It may very well be Khan (though I would find that disappointing) but I'm not ready to bet any money on it.

[M'Sharak]

Ovation wrote:

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Really? Was that in the video (that I cannot see from my location)? It isn't in the text of the accompanying article.

There's a little bit from Cumberbatch which isn't quoted, but they get the bulk of what he says - all of the important bits are there, I think. Rather than anything which was omitted from the text, I suspect Legion was referring to the part where Cumberbatch said:

B.C. wrote:

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He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he's masterful in.

He's particularly adept at suggestion and persuasion, sounds like.

[Franklin]

Would Khan have a cause that we may feel empathy for, as Cumberbatch says the character does?

And on whom is this Khan seeking vengeance?

And how does he get into Starfleet (or at least the "organization," as it's said in the synopsis)?

Why does he want to save a little girl?

And finally, Khan with a pseudonym? Really? Khan? The great and mighty Khan afraid to reveal himself? Khan don't need no stinking pesudonnym. He's Khan.

[teacake]

This sounds more and more like a perfect character to be played by Cumberbatch.

[sttngfan1701d]

Sick of this secrecy and doubletalk. It was cute the first time around. This time....just tell us please.

[Nerys Myk]

Or you could just wait and find out when you see the movie.

[sttngfan1701d]

Santa Kang wrote:

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Or you could just wait and find out when you see the movie.

They don't have to spoil the whole movie. Just at least give us concrete info. It's stupid to keep doing this and keep us guessing even though I'm sure they think they're clever and it's better for us.

Knowing some stuff doesn't spoil an experience necessarily.

[Nerys Myk]

sttngfan1701d wrote:

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They don't have to spoil the whole movie. Just at least give us concrete info. It's stupid to keep doing this and keep us guessing even though I'm sure they think they're clever and it's better for us.

Knowing some stuff doesn't spoil an experience necessarily.

Neither does not knowing.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

M'Sharak wrote:

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There's a little bit from Cumberbatch which isn't quoted, but they get the bulk of what he says - all of the important bits are there, I think. Rather than anything which was omitted from the text, I suspect Legion was referring to the part where Cumberbatch said:

He's particularly adept at suggestion and persuasion, sounds like.

Yep, pretty much.

That and Jumping Real Good seem to be the extent of his powers.

[Saul]

Franklin wrote:

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Would Khan have a cause that we may feel empathy for, as Cumberbatch says the character does?

And on whom is this Khan seeking vengeance?

The people's of Earth that defeated him in the Eugenic Wars.

And how does he get into Starfleet (or at least the "organization," as it's said in the synopsis)?

Using his superior intellect. The details are unimportant but he is a character likely to adapt quickly to his environment. You can see how quickly he is able to take over starfleet ships.

Why does he want to save a little girl?

Cos he is nice (pre TWOK) or the father of the girl has some important position he needs to exploit.

"Is there anything you would not do for your family."

Detonate a fleet to save his daughter.

[JarodRussell]

John Harrison is Gary Mitchell because the same thing happened to him.

[King Daniel]

Could poor John Harrison be possesed by Redjack?

[6079SmithW]

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote:

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Could poor John Harrison be possesed by Redjack?

Possible. An alien possession of a starfleet officer would justify the use of a barely known back ground character on TOS as the villain. Of course, this guy doesn't necessarily have to be the same John Harrison and they are recycling the name.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You know, with respect to John's "powers of persuasion" and the observation in one of those interviews that he undermines the "interconnectivity of the crew:" when he starts going on about how "your world is safe" is a "comforting lie..." gee, has anyone on the Enterprise crew had their world destroyed in the last year or so (movie time)?

[Shilliam Watner]

I think he is a Talosian giving the illusion that he is a human named John Harrison. Just like the Talosians in the Menagerie gave a sick Pike the illusion to live his life to the fullest at the end , in the upcoming first 9 minutes of the film, he wants to offer the parents to heal the sick girl in the hospital by giving her the illusion of being healed also.