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Old December 27 2012, 07:21 AM   #196
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Sure, let's go with those.
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Old December 27 2012, 07:44 AM   #197
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hmm.

Is this thread worthy of a "well, that escalated quickly" or a "I like where this thread is going" meme now?
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Old December 27 2012, 08:35 AM   #198
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I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm following you: are you really offering Prometheus as an example of smart science-fiction while mocking Star Trek?
Yes, I think Prometheus clearly resembles the type of film I'd rather Jar Jar Abrams be making despite it's many flaws. Unlike the 2009 JJ-Trek reboot, it deals with themes of exploration, mysterious alien life, new civilisations, what it means to be human and all that stuff I like in Trek.

All of these were absent in 2009 JJ-Trek and it looks like we're getting more of the same in the next movie. Which fans are apparently cool with as long as it makes money.
^This is how I know you are just posting to get people riled up. Prometheus was better that ST09? I am guessing next thing you'll say that NuBSG was better than any and all Trek?
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Old December 27 2012, 10:08 AM   #199
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^I don't think he'll be saying much of anything now that Dennis called him out on his BS.
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Old December 27 2012, 10:16 AM   #200
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Yes. I claimed that Prometheus was a better film than Trek 09 just to get a reaction. I didn't come here for people to civilly debate my points, I came here to be stalked, followed to other threads and insulted for pages on end until we're so far off topic we may as well be discussing the 1980s erotic thriller Body Double.

So as pointless as this has all been, I say we reconvene when the next bit of movie news comes out.

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Old December 27 2012, 02:35 PM   #201
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People simply won't buy tickets for a sci-fi space movie driven by ideas.
Prometheus was a box office success this year.
Hmmm... ST09, $150Million budget, $297Million Domestic gross. Prometheus $130Million budget, $126Million Domestic Gross (Yes, Prometheus did higher International, but, there is a much smaller cut for the Studios of International then Domestic). There weren't many reviews here nor other sites I visit (of other flavors of SciFi/Fantsy) that were raving about how good Prometheus was. Rotten Tomatoes has Prometheus at 74/72, and ST09 at 95/91.

I'm not sure how else to rate success, but, ST09 beats Prometheus in all these categories
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If people are too thick to enjoy a proper Star Trek movie then don't cater to them by giving them something else and slapping the Star Trek name on it. It's just alienated the fans.
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Old December 27 2012, 03:52 PM   #202
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I don't think so. Both are crappy movies but Nemesis didn't have Nero in it, didn't wave lens flare in my face all the time and at least attempted to tell a story.
But...but...you loved Abrams's first Trek movie!

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Loved it, the core 3 were perfectly recast.
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I was really not expecting the film to do this well, brilliant. Trek is back and bigger than ever!


Tell us, at what point after 2009 did you first notice the lens flare problem?

If you really perceived Star Trek as being that bad a movie, you'd probably have noticed it at the time you actually saw it. Your opinion, clearly, has evolved - so there's no excuse at all for you to criticize and dismiss the movie and people who like it, because you certainly remember being a fan of it yourself at one point.

Was someone here talking about "self-loathing," or something?
This is one of them paradox thingies, right?
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Old December 27 2012, 03:55 PM   #203
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This is what we call "an oldie but a goodie" - one of the most traditional lies told about film. It gets points for its antiquity if nothing else. Just because you didn't like a film's plot doesn't mean that the film had no plot; generally speaking, not liking something does not mean it fails to exist.
There was a plot, just not a very good one. I like JJ Abrams, but often times he tries to cover up a very weak story/script with a visually stunning look. His idol Steven Spielberg did this with Jurassic Park, and I think often times it's Abram's fallback.

This is how I think ST09 differs from any of the Next Gen movies, it's execution vs. story. I think the Next Gen movies had solid premises and had really good stories they wanted to tell. All of them, Generations to Nemesis had a really amazing story in there. Other than First Contact, where they fell short was execution. I respect the story they were trying to tell, but everything from the script to the acting to the editing were very poor. Had Nemesis or any of the Next Gen movies been executed by JJ Abrams or Matthew Vaughn or another really solid director, I think we would have had some really powerful movies that would have appealed to a broader audience.

Then you have ST09. It was executed masterfully. It's stunningly beautiful, the score is top notch, the acting is on point (especially Karl Urban), etc. Where it falls flat is the story they're trying to tell. It's not surprising. It's the same writers that made Prometheus and the transformers movies fall flat. Even the most emotionally gripping parts of the movie were flat (Spock's mother dying, Kirk gaining control of the Enterprise, etc.). The Kelvin sequence was amazing and powerful, but the movie never again reached that kind of emotion. It is what it is, it's a popcorn movie. I enjoyed the movie from that perspective and I'm happy with the success and relevance Trek is once again having. There have been so many wonderful, emotional, thought provoking stories in ST that have been told and that is the aspect I was disappointed with ST09.
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Old December 27 2012, 04:00 PM   #204
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Yes. I claimed that Prometheus was a better film than Trek 09 just to get a reaction. I didn't come here for people to civilly debate my points...
Okay, but what about that recasting in Abrams's first Star Trek movie? I'd have to agree with you when you said it was perfect. I'd also agree with you that the movie was "brilliant" and made Trek "bigger than ever."
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Old December 27 2012, 04:06 PM   #205
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Yes. I claimed that Prometheus was a better film than Trek 09 just to get a reaction. I didn't come here for people to civilly debate my points, I came here to be stalked, followed to other threads and insulted for pages on end until we're so far off topic we may as well be discussing the 1980s erotic thriller Body Double.


So as pointless as this has all been, I say we reconvene when the next bit of movie news comes out.
See you then!

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Old December 27 2012, 04:10 PM   #206
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Even the most emotionally gripping parts of the movie were flat (Spock's mother dying, Kirk gaining control of the Enterprise, etc.).
I must strongly disagree with you there. Spock's mother dying was a huge gut-punch for me.
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Old December 27 2012, 04:23 PM   #207
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What impressed me when I saw the movie on opening night were the strong emotional responses from the audience - particularly the opening sequence as Kirk's parents are talking over the comm. People were really getting into it, clearly moved - that's not something I used to seeing at a Star Trek movie.
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Old December 27 2012, 05:23 PM   #208
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Are people really baffled and shocked by someone changing their opinion years later? There's plenty of things I like now that I didn't ten years ago (and things I liked then that I don't like now) and I suspect it'll be the same five years later. Repeat viewings can show a turd turn out to be golden and gold turn out to be a turd. I don't know why it's the funniest thing in the world that a guy no longer likes a movie he liked years ago.
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Old December 27 2012, 05:26 PM   #209
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Repeat viewings can show a turd turn out to be golden and gold turn out to be a turd.
Isn't it strange that this never happens with actual gold and turds?
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Old December 27 2012, 05:44 PM   #210
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Are people really baffled and shocked by someone changing their opinion years later?...
Not at all. I'm sure it happens a lot. But people usually state upfront that they've changed their opinions. I was meh about The Matrix when first saw as thought it derivative and over-hyped but it is now a guilty pleasure. I also think ST'09 is weak in several areas but not in casting, energy, acting or emotion.

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