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Old December 12 2012, 07:47 AM   #1
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John = Johnny?

It just hit me ... could John Harrison be Johnny from the first movie?

If we ignore the deleted scene for a moment, it was never said he was Kirk's brother. But he could be his step brother ... the son his mother's husband, who could be named Harrison.

Where he got his super powers from would still be a mystery, though.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:14 AM   #2
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So ... he'd be wanting vengeance upon Kirk, after all those years, because James Tiberius "too cool for you" Kirk blew right past on his quarry-bound Corvette joyride instead of stopping to ask whether Johnny wanted a ride?

Nah. Couldn't be as simple as that. This would have to be a pretty epic grudge Harrison has going.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:18 AM   #3
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It just hit me ... could John Harrison be Johnny from the first movie?
No.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:22 AM   #4
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So ... he'd be wanting vengeance upon Kirk, after all those years, because James Tiberius "too cool for you" Kirk blew right past on his quarry-bound Corvette joyride instead of stopping to ask whether Johnny wanted a ride?

Nah. Couldn't be as simple as that. This would have to be a pretty epic grudge Harrison has going.
Who said he wanted vengeance upon Kirk? I think its Starfleet or Section 31 that he is holding a grudge against and Kirk just happens to get in the middle of it.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:59 AM   #5
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"That asshole blew a rock in my face when he screamed by me. It bruised my forehead. I SHALL STRIKE HIM AND HIS BELOVED FEDERATION DOWN WITH GREAT VENGEANCE!"
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Old December 12 2012, 09:11 AM   #6
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Yeah that kid Johnny sure looked British.
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Old December 12 2012, 09:18 AM   #7
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Yeah that kid Johnny sure looked British.
Could be that he moved to Britain sometime after he left his home and that's how he acquired his british accent.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:07 PM   #8
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Considering Johnny was originally Sam and was changed at the last minute over fears that naming him Sam would "confuse the non-fans," I don't think so.

Besides, John is one of the most common names in the US. It stands to reason Kirk can know two of them.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:17 PM   #9
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Considering Johnny was originally Sam and was changed at the last minute over fears that naming him Sam would "confuse the non-fans," I don't think so.

Besides, John is one of the most common names in the US. It stands to reason Kirk can know two of them.
How could “Sam” have confused the non–fans? I'm a fan, and I’m confused by that apparent logic.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:22 PM   #10
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Considering Johnny was originally Sam and was changed at the last minute over fears that naming him Sam would "confuse the non-fans," I don't think so.

Besides, John is one of the most common names in the US. It stands to reason Kirk can know two of them.
How could “Sam” have confused the non–fans? I'm a fan, and I’m confused by that apparent logic.
Non-fans wouldn't know he's supposed to be Kirk's brother. Seriously, that is how Bad Robot justified the name change. It's stupid and retarded, I guess non-fans can't accept that he's a kid named Sam. If they don't know that's the name of Kirk's brother, than the name can be used.

Or maybe it was part of a convoluted master plan setting up the villain for Into Darkness?
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Old December 12 2012, 06:10 PM   #11
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Considering Johnny was originally Sam and was changed at the last minute over fears that naming him Sam would "confuse the non-fans," I don't think so.

Besides, John is one of the most common names in the US. It stands to reason Kirk can know two of them.
How could “Sam” have confused the non–fans? I'm a fan, and I’m confused by that apparent logic.
Non-fans wouldn't know he's supposed to be Kirk's brother. Seriously, that is how Bad Robot justified the name change. It's stupid and retarded, I guess non-fans can't accept that he's a kid named Sam. If they don't know that's the name of Kirk's brother, than the name can be used.

Or maybe it was part of a convoluted master plan setting up the villain for Into Darkness?
Well hell, I thought he was just some punk kid on the street. Would’ve made more sense if he’d been Sam IM-NSH-O.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:30 PM   #12
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How could “Sam” have confused the non–fans? I'm a fan, and I’m confused by that apparent logic.
Non-fans wouldn't know he's supposed to be Kirk's brother. Seriously, that is how Bad Robot justified the name change. It's stupid and retarded, I guess non-fans can't accept that he's a kid named Sam. If they don't know that's the name of Kirk's brother, than the name can be used.

Or maybe it was part of a convoluted master plan setting up the villain for Into Darkness?
Well hell, I thought he was just some punk kid on the street. Would’ve made more sense if he’d been Sam IM-NSH-O.
The scene was originally filmed with young Jim yelling "Sam" and there was even a scene earlier establishing Sam running away from home. This is what caused Jim to steal the car and then he drives by Sam.

But then that scene got deleted and Abrams felt that if they were'nt going to have a scene establishing the kid was Kirk's brother, than the kid's name had to be changed. Which was unnecessary, since a non-fan would just think he was a kid named Sam and fans would realize that was his brother.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:16 PM   #13
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So, is there any reason that John Harrison could not be Johnny? The age is about right, and Orci wouln't have lied when he said it was someone from canon.
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Old December 12 2012, 10:17 PM   #14
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So, is there any reason that John Harrison could not be Johnny?
Because nobody gives a crap about that kid that we saw for five seconds, four years ago?
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Old December 12 2012, 10:22 PM   #15
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John Harrison is clearly a pseudonym for John Harriman, Captain of the Enterprise-B. He travels back in time to get revenge on Kirk for embarrassing him during his ship's maiden voyage. The tagline for the new trailer will be...

"Vengeance...arrives on Tuesday."
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