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Old December 13 2012, 08:31 PM   #91
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

The thing that's funny is that Trekkies have, for 46 years, been suspending disbelief in a massive, unconventionally designed starship traveling through the galaxy at faster-than-light warp speed, shooting phaser (better than laser!) beams and photon (eh??) torpedoes at klingon warriors, omnipotent beings, cyborgs, space amoebas, and Spock's Brain. They use a transporter to beam their energy patterns down to planets. They generate gravity with a graviton generator (and magic deck plates). They use nadions and cadions and baryons and chronitons (what??) and whatsitons and TRONitons to open/close subspace/wormhole/singularity/rift/void/eddy/fissure/scaryfrakkingholes in space, and the aliens all have 2 legs, 2 arms, and funny nose/forehead/neck ridges and weird ears. (I know, tholians... but they are an exception, not a rule lol).

We've seen ships fly so close to a star they should be burned to a crisp in a microsecond or crushed in the atmosphere of a gas giant. We've seen a starship land, we've seen it fly through fluidic space (waht??), and we've seen them go underwater. We've seen them use transwarp conduits and quantum singularities/slipstreams to travel hundreds of lightyears in minutes. We've even seen someone occupy every place in the universe at once before de-evolving and mating with the captain (ewww).

Its only because this is "Abrams and his bastardized Trek" that people are coming down so hard and being so inflexible that any explanation (which should not really be needed if it serves story or adds to the uniqueness of Star Trek, particularly in light of the above) is automatically too outlandish, or somehow an affront to Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek, and the Q Continuum. I agree with Abrams 100%. Enjoy the reruns. I'm happy for Star Trek to keep going boldly.
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Old December 13 2012, 08:41 PM   #92
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
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Old December 13 2012, 11:15 PM   #93
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Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.
Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.
No, the half completed spaceframes in Relativity would be proof that some of the Galaxy Class ships were built in space, not all. Nor was I arguing that they were all built in the ground facility, just that at least one (which is plain as day a Galaxy Class starship in the picture) was. Nor do I particularly care, as once again, the thrust of my point was simply that starships are designed for and can survive a wide variety of environments and conditions (some equivalent to or more extreme than what is shown in STID), so the fact that one can take a dip in the shallow end of an ocean shouldn't be all that bothersome.
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Old December 14 2012, 04:01 PM   #94
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
You forgot "Lower the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. Obviously it's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
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Old December 14 2012, 04:20 PM   #95
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
You forgot "Extend the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. It's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
And it's handy to have in case the captain feels the need to keel-haul an errant crewmember.
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Old December 14 2012, 05:39 PM   #96
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

Oh boy, here we go now.. In addition to the above, lets back-track a bit and set the scene more fully; [EM]

Exterior - Enterprise slowly descends vertical from the out of the sky... Interior - bosun whistle sounds over Intra-ship: Attention all hands, set the Sea and Anchor Detail...

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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
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You forgot "Lower the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. Obviously it's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
"Set Out-Riggers."

cut to exterior Enterprise as it hovers over the water - nacelle struts pivot downward till nacelles are almost even with main engineering bottom creating three-point flotation. Ship settles on surface...
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Old December 14 2012, 06:06 PM   #97
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Erm... is this going to be this film's version of the Blue Warp Nacelles thread?
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Old December 14 2012, 08:36 PM   #98
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I hope they don't explain it.
It's a starship!
Are people really thinking the Enterprise can't do this?

First off...,
I am never gonna be able to listen to the... 'Fat Lady Sing' ...again, without getting this image in my head...



Secondly,
I think it's a riot that this particular thread, seems to be the hottest topic about the new movie around here.
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Old December 14 2012, 09:45 PM   #99
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Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.
I don't think they need an explanation. It's implicit in the existing capabilities of the ship, when you think about it.

I mean, a starship by definition has to be airtight. So they should already be able to keep the water out.

And a starship capable of faster-than-light travel -- or even just a-significant-percentage-of-lightspeed travel -- must by definition have the technology capable of overcoming g-forces (they're called "inertial dampeners" in ST). So they should already be able to counter-act water pressure.

And we know from ST09 that starships are capable of ascending from a planetary surface into orbit. So they're already capable of lift-off and atmospheric flight.

Given these three things, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise would be able to descend into an ocean if necessary.
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Old December 14 2012, 10:40 PM   #100
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Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.
I don't think they need an explanation. It's implicit in the existing capabilities of the ship, when you think about it.

I mean, a starship by definition has to be airtight. So they should already be able to keep the water out.

And a starship capable of faster-than-light travel -- or even just a-significant-percentage-of-lightspeed travel -- must by definition have the technology capable of overcoming g-forces (they're called "inertial dampeners" in ST). So they should already be able to counter-act water pressure.

And we know from ST09 that starships are capable of ascending from a planetary surface into orbit. So they're already capable of lift-off and atmospheric flight.

Given these three things, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise would be able to descend into an ocean if necessary.
You left out the Space Amoeba.
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Old December 14 2012, 11:21 PM   #101
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I demand that a character break the fourth wall and give that exact explanation to reassure us, or I will forever boycott the franchise.
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Old December 14 2012, 11:40 PM   #102
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I demand that a character break the fourth wall and give that exact explanation to reassure us, or I will forever boycott the franchise.
But will they give an explanation for how the 4th wall was broken?
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Old December 15 2012, 12:19 AM   #103
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Erm... is this going to be this film's version of the Blue Warp Nacelles thread?
Apparently not.

M'Sharak tried to kick it in that direction, here. Then I tried to jump start it in the post above yours, but no takers. People are more interested in treating it as a worthy topic.

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Old December 15 2012, 12:54 AM   #104
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As far as we know, the Ent does not actually fly around under water, it just does a controlled descent under the surface and then comes straight up again. That would be far easier than actually flying around under water.
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Old December 15 2012, 01:28 AM   #105
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I demand that a character break the fourth wall and give that exact explanation to reassure us, or I will forever boycott the franchise.
But will they give an explanation for how the 4th wall was broken?
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