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Old December 13 2012, 06:33 PM   #76
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There was pretty much nothing in that Star Trek trailer to get me excited. Because there was nothing to it but random shots of cool-looking stuff. Fantastic. What's the STORY?! What's the movie going to be about? What is happening?! I need more than a scene of the Enterprise rising out of water to get excited about a movie.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's probably why it's called a teaser trailer (or in this case, an "announcement trailer"). It's not supposed to give you an in-depth synopsis of the story. It's just supposed to give you a taste of what's to come to build expectation.

Obviously that didn't work for you, but as we say on Earth, c'est la vie.
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Old December 13 2012, 06:33 PM   #77
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The ship rises out of the water nine minutes into the film. Thus the argument that the whole film is ALL effects and no substance is utter shite, particularly after the last one already showed us there's more to nuTrek than 'splosions.
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Old December 13 2012, 06:57 PM   #78
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

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J.J. Abrams's explanation to Aint It Cool News:

"If that's the thing that's going to keep you from seeing the movie, great! Enjoy your reruns!"
I love him.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:00 PM   #79
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's probably why it's called a teaser trailer (or in this case, an "announcement trailer"). It's not supposed to give you an in-depth synopsis of the story. It's just supposed to give you a taste of what's to come to build expectation.

Obviously that didn't work for you, but as we say on Earth, c'est la vie.
You're exactly right. Trailers are used to get you excited to see the movie. They are not going to tell you what the story is going to be about. They want you to go to the movie to find that out.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:02 PM   #80
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:05 PM   #81
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Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.
Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:07 PM   #82
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
I was tempted to walk out when Chekov failed to disengage the external inertial dampeners. The REAL Chekov never would have been so incompetent.

Canon used to stand for something. Next thing you know, they're gonna start making Star Trek movies about missions to find God at the center of the galaxy and whatnot.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:09 PM   #83
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J.J. Abrams's explanation to Aint It Cool News:

"If that's the thing that's going to keep you from seeing the movie, great! Enjoy your reruns!"
But... But... Teh HATE and gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing and childhood raping and all that noise...
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Old December 13 2012, 07:15 PM   #84
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
I was tempted to walk out when Chekov failed to disengage the external inertial dampeners. The REAL Chekov never would have been so incompetent.

Canon used to stand for something. Next thing you know, they're gonna start making Star Trek movies about missions to find God at the center of the galaxy and whatnot.
Not Chekov, Sulu. Nu-Sulu, anyway. Would that make him Nulu?
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Old December 13 2012, 07:22 PM   #85
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

JJ Abrams, praised be his name, is making the right choice.
Trek has always been VERILY flexible with physics. And now people are making a fuss about what looks like a fun scene???



Nice one, Treker...
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Old December 13 2012, 07:23 PM   #86
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His point is that the Enterprise going underwater is such an inconsequential thing to be upset over in comparison to the overall story, which you will get later on when the movie comes out. And yes, it's there to look cool. Don't you like that they're trying new things instead of just having the ship hang there like a lump in space?
I more interested in story and characters. I don't need to see the cool CGI effect of a starship rising out of water to get my jollies.

For example: Some people expressed confusion how the last act(s) of the Transformer movies were so maligned for being nothing by action and explosions but people rave about the last act of the Avengers movie when it was all action and explosions.

The difference is that in Avengers we knew who the characters were, we LIKED the characters and we were invested in them. In Transformers we've not nearly enough investment in the Transformers to know them or their personalities (or enough to distinguish them from the other lumps of metal in the movies) and the only human characters we have are Shia LeBouff and his stammering yelling and his out-of-his-league lip-parted hottie girlfirend standing there looking hot with her lips parted.

Very, very, different things. Avatar spent nearly all of its three hour running time setting up the situation and characters before taking us into a long, cool-looking, effects scene of the battle.

Sorry, I want something more out of a movie than "it looking cool." There was pretty much nothing in that Star Trek trailer to get me excited. Because there was nothing to it but random shots of cool-looking stuff. Fantastic. What's the STORY?! What's the movie going to be about? What is happening?! I need more than a scene of the Enterprise rising out of water to get excited about a movie.

And, no it's not convenient I didn't mention the NX-01 scenes because I simply do not remember them. It's been a very long time since I've watched Enterprise. I've probably not seen those scenes since the episode aired. If the ship is surviving great pressures in a gas-giant then, yes, that IS stupid given the time-period and lack of shield. But, keep in mind, Berman and Braga where hardly known for keeping things consistent during Voyager and Enterprise when it came to things like that. (How many shuttles does Voyager have, now? Torpedoes? Why does the holodeck have an independent power system? (Oh! So we can use it but not need to worry about conserving power for critical systems to get us home. I mean we don't want to prevent ourselves from doing holodeck episdoes!)

I had hope that, on some level, Abrams "got" Trek and knew that it was never about effects and visuals but about telling stories. Having characters be interesting and dealing with present-day issues in a futuristic setting. Look at TWK and TUC both movies that are often lauded and both are movies that hardly relied on effects and action scenes to do their good work as they're movies driven by character and story. And, yes, both relied on effects during the climatic endings but only after story and setting up a situation. Not because of just the hell of it.

I'm not going to excited over a trailer showing me cool-looking visuals. (Oh! Kirk falling over a ledge and holding on by his
fingertips. I've NEVER seen that before!* (*=Since 2009)

Oh! The Enterprise rising slowly out of a non-space environment! How cool! I've not seen that before!* (*=Since 2009)

Oh! Cool! An enemy who wants vengeance on Earth for mysterious reasons! How unique!* (*=Ignoring, ST=2009, Star Trek Nemesis.)

I had just hoped for more out of this movie after 2009. Which I DID like. But, really, right now it looks like it's not going to be too vastly different but granting I've not much at all to go on. I'll still see it, and I've not nearly the number of problems with 2009 as others do. It's flawed but I can accept it as its own thing that has no impact on the Trek I know and love, but I just wanted, I dunno, more than neat-looking visuals.
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Old December 13 2012, 07:24 PM   #87
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Old December 13 2012, 07:59 PM   #88
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Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.
Dude, you can see the Galaxy-class saucer on the surface of Mars in "Parallels"
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Even Hermann Zimmerman said in one of the DVD set extras that he took an Ent-D model kit entirely (included the frames of the kit), paint-brushed it and voilà that was Utopia Planitia!
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You read that?
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