McWeeny has a theory about this movie - Page 3

M'Sharak · December 11 2012, 11:56 PM

RAMA wrote:

OK so Harrison is actually Robert APRIL!!!???

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...nto-darkness/3

There - your post is in the correct thread now.

Ovation · December 12 2012, 12:06 AM

RAMA wrote:

OK so Harrison is actually Robert APRIL!!!???

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...nto-darkness/3

Maybe…maybe not.

The Habs Fan · December 12 2012, 12:34 AM

The only problem with this theory is why would they cast Benicio Del Toro in the role (originally)? Unless that was also a huge planned misdirection.

Captain_Amasov · December 12 2012, 12:48 AM

The Habs Fan wrote:

The only problem with this theory is why would they cast Benicio Del Toro in the role (originally)? Unless that was also a huge planned misdirection.

Is there any reason why Benicio Del Toro couldn't have played Robert April? As far as I know the character was conjectural anyway, so him appearing in this film would actually be his first canon appearance wouldn't it?

Vektor · December 12 2012, 03:37 AM

I just hope they put half as much effort into actually writing this movie as they have into actively confusing people about it.

Mr Silver · December 12 2012, 03:51 AM

April as the villain... This could really work, actually.

Matt S · December 12 2012, 04:24 AM

Khannnnnn!!!!!
Aprillllllllllll!

hmm......

Crewman Pratt · December 12 2012, 06:46 AM

I'm impressed by this theory! April as the bad guy. Who woulda thunk it>

KirkusOveractus · December 12 2012, 04:19 PM

I like this theory as well! Please forgive me if it's been mentioned in this thread already, but wasn't the one concept for April that he have a British accent?

For some reason, I remember once reading or hearing that Roddenberry thought of April that way.

The Wormhole · December 12 2012, 04:45 PM

KirkusOveractus wrote:

I like this theory as well! Please forgive me if it's been mentioned in this thread already, but wasn't the one concept for April that he have a British accent?

For some reason, I remember once reading or hearing that Roddenberry thought of April that way.

James Doohan did use a British accent when he voiced April in TAS. And April has been described as British in the novels that have featured him.

KirkusOveractus · December 12 2012, 04:59 PM

Over on Trekmovie, Anthony Pascale (I think he wrote the piece about speaking with Lindelof and Orci) gathered from Lindelof that there may be some honor to Trek's past with Harrison.

Could this honor to the past be a nod to the Captain's name before TOS was filmed, making this a regenerated Robert April, thus violating the Prime Directive and having to send Enterprise to stop him?

Saul · December 12 2012, 05:12 PM

Captain April Vs Captain Kirk. Nice... This or Khan would be quite cool. It does seem a bit too obvious to leave a piece of concept art lying there with a Villain's name on it. I mean, why not just put Harrison's Gun on that piece of concept art if the Character is going to remain as Harrison till a later reveal.
Maybe April owned or invented that gun but it was taken by Cumberbatche's character from a museum or lab.

Good show JJ Abrams. This kind of speculation is frustrating yet a lot of fun.

Vektor · December 12 2012, 07:05 PM

I'm having a hard time buying the April theory. I think it's more likely the piece of concept art was a disinformation plant.

Even with the changes to the timeline, the only commonality between Cumberbatch and what little has been established or even conjectured about April is that he's British. Otherwise he's the wrong age, has a totally different history, different personality, different motivations, different everything. Certainly they could still call him Robert April (presumably after revealing that the name John Harrison is an alias) but to do so would be virtually meaningless. They might as well call him Cyrano Jones or Harry Mudd for all the relevance it has.

Then again, these are the same people who applied the name Delta Vega to a completely different planet just to give a shout-out to the relatively few people who would recognize it, so who knows?

Admiral Buzzkill · December 12 2012, 10:41 PM

Could even be another April altogether. Bob, Jr. Or, as has been noted, it's something to do with April production dates.

I lean more now toward Khan than I did three days ago - that's the other part of McWeeny's speculation, which I suspect is more grounded in what he knows than the "April" part (he both disclaims less of his Khan theory, and makes less of a big deal about it).

Vektor · December 13 2012, 12:05 AM

I must grant McWeeny's point that Khan is just about the only Trek character, villain or otherwise, outside of the Enterprise crew that the average audience member out there is likely to recognize. Ergo, if you want to do a villain that is meaningful to the Star Trek universe and get the maximum mileage out of him, Khan makes the most sense from a purely practical point of view.

December 12 2012, 12:34 AM	#33
The Habs Fan Commodore Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie The only problem with this theory is why would they cast Benicio Del Toro in the role (originally)? Unless that was also a huge planned misdirection.

December 12 2012, 03:37 AM	#35
Vektor Rear Admiral Location: Spokane, WA, USA	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie I just hope they put half as much effort into actually writing this movie as they have into actively confusing people about it. __________________ www.vektorvisual.com

December 12 2012, 03:51 AM	#36
Mr Silver Rear Admiral Location: UK	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie April as the villain... This could really work, actually.

December 12 2012, 04:24 AM	#37
Matt S Lieutenant	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie Khannnnnn!!!!! Aprillllllllllll! hmm...... __________________ Balok knows all!!!!!

December 12 2012, 06:46 AM	#38
Crewman Pratt Ensign Location: Kansas	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie I'm impressed by this theory! April as the bad guy. Who woulda thunk it>

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December 12 2012, 04:19 PM	#39
KirkusOveractus Captain Location: Ambler, PA	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie I like this theory as well! Please forgive me if it's been mentioned in this thread already, but wasn't the one concept for April that he have a British accent? For some reason, I remember once reading or hearing that Roddenberry thought of April that way.

December 12 2012, 04:59 PM	#41
KirkusOveractus Captain Location: Ambler, PA	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie Over on Trekmovie, Anthony Pascale (I think he wrote the piece about speaking with Lindelof and Orci) gathered from Lindelof that there may be some honor to Trek's past with Harrison. Could this honor to the past be a nod to the Captain's name before TOS was filmed, making this a regenerated Robert April, thus violating the Prime Directive and having to send Enterprise to stop him?

December 12 2012, 05:12 PM	#42
Saul Rear Admiral Location: 東京	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie Captain April Vs Captain Kirk. Nice... This or Khan would be quite cool. It does seem a bit too obvious to leave a piece of concept art lying there with a Villain's name on it. I mean, why not just put Harrison's Gun on that piece of concept art if the Character is going to remain as Harrison till a later reveal. Maybe April owned or invented that gun but it was taken by Cumberbatche's character from a museum or lab. Good show JJ Abrams. This kind of speculation is frustrating yet a lot of fun. __________________ "It's not that you can see the strings, it's that 40 years later you're still looking at them." - Steven Moffat "This movie was big. Imagine how big it could have been with me in it?" William Shatner

December 12 2012, 07:05 PM	#43
Vektor Rear Admiral Location: Spokane, WA, USA	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie I'm having a hard time buying the April theory. I think it's more likely the piece of concept art was a disinformation plant. Even with the changes to the timeline, the only commonality between Cumberbatch and what little has been established or even conjectured about April is that he's British. Otherwise he's the wrong age, has a totally different history, different personality, different motivations, different everything. Certainly they could still call him Robert April (presumably after revealing that the name John Harrison is an alias) but to do so would be virtually meaningless. They might as well call him Cyrano Jones or Harry Mudd for all the relevance it has. Then again, these are the same people who applied the name Delta Vega to a completely different planet just to give a shout-out to the relatively few people who would recognize it, so who knows? __________________ www.vektorvisual.com

December 12 2012, 10:41 PM	#44
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie Could even be another April altogether. Bob, Jr. Or, as has been noted, it's something to do with April production dates. I lean more now toward Khan than I did three days ago - that's the other part of McWeeny's speculation, which I suspect is more grounded in what he knows than the "April" part (he both disclaims less of his Khan theory, and makes less of a big deal about it). __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 13 2012, 12:05 AM	#45
Vektor Rear Admiral Location: Spokane, WA, USA	Re: McWeeny has a theory about this movie I must grant McWeeny's point that Khan is just about the only Trek character, villain or otherwise, outside of the Enterprise crew that the average audience member out there is likely to recognize. Ergo, if you want to do a villain that is meaningful to the Star Trek universe and get the maximum mileage out of him, Khan makes the most sense from a purely practical point of view. __________________ www.vektorvisual.com