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Old December 12 2012, 07:49 PM   #121
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IF there is any Khan connection it could be that “John Harrison” is actually Khan using an alias or it could be that John Harrison is his real name and he is one of the other genetically modified supermen from the botany bay.

May be Khan’s empire was India/Asia/Middle East and John Harrison controlled the UK/Europe during the eugenics war? Harrison hitched a ride with Khan?

One of the articles at trekmovie mentioned that trailer 2 has a shot of a “large room (possibly shuttle bay or cargo hold) filled with tubes which have small windows (or possibly control panels) on the top”. Without seeing the trailer it’s hard to say how big these tubes are, but if they’re big enough to fit people in it could be that someone has multiple augments from the botany bay still cryogenically frozen in their possession.
You, sir or ma'am, may have something there. This story is obviously, with the inclusion of Carol Marcus, taking place in the "Khan mileau", and it appears 'Batch's character has some super-human ability. So it may be another of the genetic supermen back to wreak havoc, maybe to avenge Khan's death at the hands of the Klingons? And the Harrison name may just be a coincidence as far as the TOS background character goes.
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Old December 12 2012, 07:53 PM   #122
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Isn't John Harrison one of the least intimidating villain names...ever?
As opposed to, say, Gary Mitchell?
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Old December 12 2012, 07:55 PM   #123
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Greg might be the best person to ask about this....I've forgotten, but there wasn't an Augment from the 1990's named "Harrison" in any of your Eugenics Wars novels was there? Because we know the Abrams people have read through Trek novels for some of their ideas.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:02 PM   #124
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Orci pulled a switcheroo on us when he said that Cumberbatch's character - John Harrison - was from TOS lore and Alice Eve's character - Carol Marcus - was new to canon, which, based on what we know, is obviously not the case.
Just thought I'd point this out:

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/excl...st-production/

TrekMovie.com: OK let’s start with Alice Eve. Canon or new?
Roberto Orci: Canon
TrekMovie.com: Noel Clarke?
Roberto Orci: New
TrekMovie.com: I assume that also goes for Nanzeen Contractor, who plays his wife?
Roberto Orci: Yes, new.
TrekMovie.com: Peter Weller
Roberto Orci: New.
TrekMovie.com: Joseph Gatt
Roberto Orci: New.
TrekMovie.com: OK and the big one, Benedict Cumberbatch.
Roberto Orci: Canon.



Alice Eve was only speculated by Variety to be new, but Orci said she was canon.
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Old December 12 2012, 08:23 PM   #125
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Greg might be the best person to ask about this....I've forgotten, but there wasn't an Augment from the 1990's named "Harrison" in any of your Eugenics Wars novels was there? Because we know the Abrams people have read through Trek novels for some of their ideas.
Not that I recall, although I wrote those books over a decade ago so my memory is a little fuzzy at this point.

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Old December 12 2012, 08:56 PM   #126
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Sticking with the Khan theme - could he be Joachim, Khan's "second in command"?
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Old December 12 2012, 11:00 PM   #127
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The blonde?
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Old December 12 2012, 11:07 PM   #128
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In Greg's Eugenics Wars books I think Joachim was the son of Joaquin (the dark, short-haired lieutenant to Khan in "Space Seed") and a female Augment and that Joaquin died at some point between TOS and the arrival of the Reliant years later. Greg can confirm whether this is correct or not, but I think at least one novel has Joachim and Joaquin being two different people under Khan's command.
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Old December 13 2012, 03:12 AM   #129
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^I remember that from Greg's novels. So, could it be the original Joaquin, then, with the same revenge motive?
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Old December 13 2012, 04:34 AM   #130
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I mean at the END when he leaves her for the Enterprise. Which he will.
She's part of his crew on the Enterprise in this reality, as I noted, so I still don't understand your comment.
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Old December 13 2012, 04:54 AM   #131
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Is she part of the Enterprise crew?

She wears a Starfleet uniform.
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Old December 13 2012, 05:06 AM   #132
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It seems more likely than not that she'd be part of the Enterprise's crew, especially since, as per a new interview from Chris Pine, her scientific knowledge plays a key role in stopping Harrison's schemes.
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Old December 13 2012, 08:08 AM   #133
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^ Orci specifically said that Alice Eve's character was "new to canon" and that Cumberbatch's character was someone from TOS lore. …
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It's not Harrison from TOS, and it's not a "brand new character."
I’ve written this in another couple threads; I think it's John Harrison, not John Harrison, so the Star Trek Into Darkness character is Johnny, the kid on the side of the road in Star Trek (2009).

As for Orci’s admitted having lied about one of the characters in the TrekMovie.com interview, I can easily imagine myself having been asked that question, focusing in the moment on the word “canon” and completely missing the “original Star Trek” [sic] part. In that case, I would have answered, “canon,” for Harrison, thinking of Johnny having been added to the canon in Star Trek (2009), and I think that’s what Bob Orci did, then after re-reading the question in the article and realizing his error he commented on it.

In fact, that sounds exactly like something I would do, especially in his shoes.

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Old December 13 2012, 08:17 AM   #134
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I mean at the END when he leaves her for the Enterprise. Which he will.
She's part of his crew on the Enterprise in this reality, as I noted, so I still don't understand your comment.
Kirk's story arc with women is that he leaves them in the end for the Enterprise. Where they are has nothing to do with it, he leaves them with his choices and his time.
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Old December 13 2012, 10:04 AM   #135
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I’ve written this in another couple threads; I think it's John Harrison, not John Harrison, so the Star Trek Into Darkness character is Johnny, the kid on the side of the road in Star Trek (2009).

As for Orci’s admitted having lied about one of the characters in the TrekMovie.com interview, I can easily imagine myself having been asked that question, focusing in the moment on the word “canon” and completely missing the “original Star Trek” [sic] part. In that case, I would have answered, “canon,” for Harrison, thinking of Johnny having been added to the canon in Star Trek (2009), and I think that’s what Bob Orci did, then after re-reading the question in the article and realizing his error he commented on it.

In fact, that sounds exactly like something I would do, especially in his shoes.
You got my vote! Actually, I had the very same thought and started a thread about it yesterday.
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