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Old December 12 2012, 04:22 AM   #91
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Re: New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) *SPOILERS*

Okay wow..

But who thinks the character is called John Harrison through the whole movie right up to the end when there is a BIG REVEAL as to either who he really is or what name he will be taking on from that point on? You know, "I am no longer Harrison.. that man is dead. You may call me.. <awesome TOS canon reveal>"

Also I can't get the sci fi writer M. John Harrison out of my head now.
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Old December 12 2012, 04:57 AM   #92
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My vote goes to Red Shirt #47.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:12 AM   #93
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It's obvious that Roberto Orci did a classic 'switcheroo' play when he told us that Cumberbatch's character was someone from TOS lore and Alice Eve's character was new to canon.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:14 AM   #94
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So what's he going to say.. "Oh. Mixed 'em up. LOL."
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Old December 12 2012, 05:20 AM   #95
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^ He didn't mix them up; he knowingly and deliberately pulled a switcheroo on us, and later admitted that one of the things he'd said vis a vis characters was a lie. Until yesterday, we didn't know which statement he lied about, but now we do. He was lying when he said that Cumberbatch's character was from TOS lore. That statement is true of Alice Eve's character - Carol Marcus - instead.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:36 AM   #96
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DigificWriter wrote: View Post
^ He didn't mix them up; he knowingly and deliberately pulled a switcheroo on us, and later admitted that one of the things he'd said vis a vis characters was a lie. Until yesterday, we didn't know which statement he lied about, but now we do. He was lying when he said that Cumberbatch's character was from TOS lore. That statement is true of Alice Eve's character - Carol Marcus - instead.
Hmmm...I See it differently?

Wasn't it TOS Canon (Season 1?)?

Harrison is TOS Canon S1 (and S2), he just was a No name extra 99.9% of the time (And got shoved from Department to Department, LOL).

Carol Marcus is not TOS Canon, she's TOS Movie Canon
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Old December 12 2012, 05:42 AM   #97
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^ Orci specifically said that Alice Eve's character was "new to canon" and that Cumberbatch's character was someone from TOS lore. Since Carol Marcus is not new to canon in any way and Orci said that he was only lying about one of the two things he said vis a vis characters, he was therefore pulling a switcheroo on us, and lied about which of the two characters was actually from canon and which one was not.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:51 AM   #98
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I really don't think this is obscure dude named Harrison from TOS. I think it's a brand new character unless that turns out to be his pseudonym and we still have a big reveal before us.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:53 AM   #99
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It could actually be Harrison from TOS but he is possessed by an evil alien.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:58 AM   #100
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@teacake: The name isn't going to be a pseudonym; we're dealing with JJ Abrams here, not Christopher Nolan.

Orci pulled a switcheroo on us when he said that Cumberbatch's character - John Harrison - was from TOS lore and Alice Eve's character - Carol Marcus - was new to canon, which, based on what we know, is obviously not the case.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:11 AM   #101
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It's been a heck of a lot of fun hunting for clues and tidbits of information as to who Cumberbatch was going to play. When I read for the first time it was John Harrison I had a complete moment of WTF. Like a lot of other fans I was convinced that it was someone from TOS that was very well known to us. I didn't even know who John Harrison was until another member of the forum pointed me to a wiki article. I can't believe that a dude who walked around in the background in a few scenes and maybe tapped a few buttons would be wonderful fodder for the big bad villain. Maybe the name's the same but the two characters have no relation to one another. Hell, I dunno. Well, I guess now we'll just shift gears and wonder why John Harrison, occasional button pusher, is now a one man army and why he's so ticked off at the Federation. Im certainly all eyes and ears.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:20 AM   #102
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Do we have to call it a "switcheroo"? It sounds like some 70's board game.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:23 AM   #103
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Kinda glad it's not Khan, myself. If they were to cast Khan, you'd think that today they'd actually cast someone with Indian bloodlines and not lilywhite Benedict Cumberbatch. Sunil Shetty would be a pretty badass Khan. Though I could see Ben Kingsley too....he'd make a great "Khan as a dictator" type.

Alice Eve as Carol Marcus? I like that too. Hope she's more than a damsel in distress.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:27 AM   #104
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@teacake: What else are we going to call it?

@ Crewman Pratt: Orci's statement about Cumberbatch's character being from TOS lore was a lie. It is Alice Eve's character - Carol Marcus - who is from TOS lore, not Cumberbatch's (John Harrison).
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Old December 12 2012, 06:28 AM   #105
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"Orci fucked us over good"

Yeah, has a ring to it..
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