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Old August 9 2014, 04:17 AM   #841
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Because their technology sucked?
Because it takes time to plot, draw, script and print things.
Stan would plot. Jack would draw, and the Stan would tape speech bubbles onto Jack's pages.

The creative process is relatively constant, but it has never taken 4 months, and if it did take 4 months then it would take 7 months to make a comic, even though the creators cannot work simultaneously.

This is what I mean by technology...

Having 40 to 50 less titles per month saves time.

Printing 10 million less comics a month saves time.

Shipping 10 million less comics per month saves time.

Not shipping books across the country and across the world in one day saves time.
Yeah, I know the process. It doesn't take four months to write and draw the book. But that's just the first part of getting it to the stores. There is also the prepping, printing and packaging. Then you have the shipping and distribution. All that takes time and coordination. The printer isn't going to hold the spot for Fabulous Man #12 if its late. That spot was probably booked months in advance.
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Old August 9 2014, 05:52 AM   #842
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(I know you know a lot, but my only argument is that the last 30 plus years of comics since the rise of the speciality shop is not the same as 1961. Hell, I would even go so far as to assume/guess that news stands in the 60s used to order comics by the box (or by the pound) which would be to "within reason" a random assortment. )

Which has nothing to do with when the the news-stand/speciality shop orders books from their distributor.

There are two different yet over lapping timetables.

How a physical comic is made probably starts even four months further back into the recess of history before the first orders from previews come in to Diamond, or when each shop pays off their account to diamond, or sends back returns, or makes reorders and back orders... Which means that Diamond/Marvel/DC would always have literal tons of comics in warehouses waiting for shipping dates unless something goes horribly wrong.

Using warehouse space costs money, and not using warehouse space wastes money.



Now about Christopher's Youtube link.

I was already smitten with Louise, we talked about Power Pack for half an hour a very long time ago, but no one told me that Ann was drop dead gorgeous. I will amend my files to take account of that.

Although it's odd that they can't see the writing on the wall.

Marvel and DC seem to want a world where they only make & sell comics digitally.

No more physical stores and no more printing/distribution infrastructure.

If they could guarantee the customer base that can fulfil their adjusted profit expectations, this would change how they make money, and bankrupt all our friends that run comic book stores caught flatfooted.

(You didn't watch Halt and Catch Fire?)
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Old August 9 2014, 06:16 AM   #843
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Back in the 60s comics were in pretty much every newsstand and drugstore in America. I was buying them at convenience stores, drugstores and the base exchange. If the 7-11 didn't have it, I could go to Thrifty Drug and get it. They may have had less titles but they were probably moving more units in total sales. The FF and Spidey were probably selling more than all the current Avengers titles combined. But yeah, with the rise of the specialty shops and move away from newsstands, that part of the business has changed. But that has little to do with the turn around on sales information impacting what was happening in the books.
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Old August 9 2014, 07:09 AM   #844
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Stan felt completely Justified in stamping "The World's Greatest Comic Magazine" on every book after issue #3.
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Old August 9 2014, 07:42 AM   #845
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(Not arguing, but I thought you might find this interesting.)

In theory I would agree with you that News Agents should have reasonably sold more comics at 5 cents per unit than the speciality shops do today at 4 dollars per unit, but here are the actual figures, or at least until the end of the 80s, but observing the trends are very interesting. Marvel seemed to have really got hit hard by that Seduction of the Innocent guff.

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Old August 9 2014, 09:52 AM   #846
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My references for the 4-month turnaround are the comics I collected in the '80s. So it's not a recent development.

Anyway, I decided to check my DVD-ROM Amazing Spider-Man collection, and in place of the letters page on issue 1, there's a message saying that letters will begin to appear in the third issue, "because our SECOND issue will already be on the presses by the time you read this!" So yes, I guess it would've been possible for the third issue to be affected by the results of the first. And that fits with the Legends Revealed account, since it was with the third issue that Marvel felt comfortable enough with the response to the first that they went ahead and stopped hiding the fact that it was a superhero book.

(I tried taking a screencap and uploading it to my blog so I could link to it here, but then I found it was too small to be legible for some reason. How do you folks make posting screencaps and images look so effortless?)
If the format on the DVDs is PDF like it is on the CDs, you can just extract the graphic and probably get a better resolution. You can find free utilities that do that on download.com.
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Old August 9 2014, 10:45 AM   #847
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The format is probably going to be weird since Marvel does not want people to pirate their comics (even though I know for a fact that these disks have been pirated and mass disseminated online.) so it's going to be a little more difficult, but not that much more difficult than "right click" + "view files".

Probably the same sort of free extraction utility used to pirate a movie from the DVD store.




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Old August 9 2014, 12:00 PM   #848
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Stan felt completely Justified in stamping "The World's Greatest Comic Magazine" on every book after issue #3.
Because amongst his other talents, Stan was The World's Greatest Huckster.
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Old August 9 2014, 03:23 PM   #849
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I found the Stan Lee interview. I misremembered the part about sales being bad with the first issue. Stan says that he included the costumes due to fan letter demand.

http://www.webofstories.com/play/sta...0875EE8B062840
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Old August 11 2014, 01:29 AM   #850
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Fox doesn't appear to be all that interested in promoting this movie, MCU is already hyping up the Avengers movie, so Fox's lack of interest is puzzling.
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Old August 11 2014, 02:12 AM   #851
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Fox doesn't appear to be all that interested in promoting this movie, MCU is already hyping up the Avengers movie, so Fox's lack of interest is puzzling.
Certainly not a heck of a lot on the imdb page yet.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502712/..._ov_wr#writers
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Old August 11 2014, 02:39 AM   #852
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Fox doesn't appear to be all that interested in promoting this movie, MCU is already hyping up the Avengers movie, so Fox's lack of interest is puzzling.
Except for Bryan Singer releasing stuff, I don't remember much done for Days of Future Past until a month or so before release. But Fox may also realize they've got a stinker with FF; studios usually try to cover that crap up.
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Old August 11 2014, 02:55 AM   #853
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Well, let's see. The teaser trailer was released in late October, 2013. The movie was released late May, 2014, so about seven months prior. The Fantastic Four movie has mid-June release date. So maybe a mid-November release of a teaser trailer? There's nothing all that exciting from 20th Century Fox around that time, though (I'm doubtful it'll air for Penguins of Madagascar). If they first show it with a non-Fox movie, they could release the teaser trailer on November 21 for Hunger Games.

So I'll agree there's still time. On the other hand, I wouldn't underestimate Bryan Singer releasing stuff. I remember lots of teases involving Sentinels going way back in production.

ETA: Looking back at the production discussion thread, I'm seeing set photos from an entire year before release.
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Old August 11 2014, 04:00 AM   #854
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There wasn't anything at Comic Con?
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Old August 11 2014, 04:51 AM   #855
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Nothing.

Look at this from Fox's point of view.

Marvel is spending 10s of millions of dollars to make people think that Marvel Movies are cool.

They do not need to advertise.
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