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Old December 9 2012, 10:51 PM   #61
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Re: Garth of Izar is the bad guy?

The villan is a human version of Spock (ala, The Enemy Within) with Spock's human and vulcan side seperated.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:14 AM   #62
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Cumberbatch would be fantastic as the mania fueled narcissist dandy that was Garth.
Thank you, youve put your finger on exactly what I've been trying to express: Garth was a dandy. And thats exactly why I dont think Cumberbatch will be playing him. Benedicts a bad a*s, plain and simple, no dandy.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:35 AM   #63
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Different universe. Kirk isn't exactly identical over there and is now more rebel, without a Father to steadily influence him up through the ranks. He's now the late bloomer who achieved early. Quickest rise to the Captaincy, in the history of anything.

Perhaps Garth will be a different kind of mad man too? Different backstory that causes his madness.

It's probably like comparing Baltars. Campy 70s John Colicos, or slightly more complex 00s James Callis.
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Old December 10 2012, 02:04 PM   #64
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Felix Leiter in the Bond franchise oscillates between different ethnicities...
And one of the times he was played by David Hedison, Felix was devoured by sharks.

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Leiter wasn't in Skyfall, unless I'm losing my memory of a film I saw just a couple weeks ago.
I think he means a surprise reveal about a different character.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:48 PM   #65
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Cumberbatch would be fantastic as the mania fueled narcissist dandy that was Garth.
Thank you, youve put your finger on exactly what I've been trying to express: Garth was a dandy. And thats exactly why I dont think Cumberbatch will be playing him. Benedicts a bad a*s, plain and simple, no dandy.
I couldn't agree more...

My other problem with Garth has to do with the Timeline. My impression is that The Battle of Axanar was 'pre-Nero-timeline-interference.' So that would mean Garth's already been committed to the facility on Elba II. (Aside: Even the name Elba II should tell you something about the "dandy-ness" of Garth's character). Anyhoo, Garth is older than Kirk (as depicted in TOS) by at least a generation. BC's villain appears to be more contemporary to Kirk's age. Attempts to explain that in the Abramsverse would be tedious at best.

Please don't take this criticism the wrong way. I think that Garth would be an excellent character to develop further in this new timeline. As one other user said, Garth has "a walk in closet full of crazy" that I would love to see played out in the Abramsverse.

My problem with Gary Mitchell isn't dissimilar... as many many others have said, Gary Mitchell "don't need no stinkin' weapons." And any attempts to explain a diminution in his power would only add to the existing canon of "Treknobabble" complaints that non-fans level at TNG/DS9/VOY already.

I'm hopeful that somewhere buried deep in a TOS episode is a character so obscure, yet dripping with undeveloped potential, whom JJ will lead us to "re-discover."

On that note, I just can't get Lazarus out of my mind (especially in light of BC's rumored appearance in the 9-minute preview).
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Old December 10 2012, 06:13 PM   #66
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^ There's certainly room for error, but Memory Beta says that the Axanar battle took place in 2251, which would make it pre-ST XI but post-Nero. Thus it would fall within the Abramsverse. So it could turn out completely different this time around. Including Garth's fate.

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Isn't Garth supposed to be much older than Kirk?
They seriously "agebent" Zephram Cochrane when they recast him for ST:FC. Nobody complained.
It was suggested that Cochrane looked the way he did because of radiation poisoning, and also because he was a drunk. Either is a sufficient explanation, really.
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