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Old December 8 2012, 06:04 AM   #1
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Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

After thinking about the issue, I'm going to weigh-in with this Gary Mitchell thread. I made a video to explain my point in more detail here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DiayhuIA1w

And the main catalyst for it was that a number of media outlets were saying the villain was Khan, when more signs point to Mitchell, including his wearing Star Fleet clothing. Thoughts?
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Old December 8 2012, 08:23 AM   #2
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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when more signs point to Mitchell, including his wearing Star Fleet clothing. Thoughts?
Did you not see "Space Seed", when Khan wore Starfleet uniform?

So too did "Charlie X" - and Q!
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Old December 8 2012, 10:27 AM   #3
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

Just because someone is wearing a Starfleet uniform doesn't make them a Starfleet officer otherwise all those people at cons are Starfleeters.
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Old December 8 2012, 12:16 PM   #4
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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when more signs point to Mitchell, including his wearing Star Fleet clothing. Thoughts?
Did you not see "Space Seed", when Khan wore Starfleet uniform?

So too did "Charlie X" - and Q!
Yes, but also Khan has long hair, and is Latino / Arab; Benedict's character is not. Moreover, Charlie X was ruled out as a Trek 2 villain in ScreenRant 2 years ago.
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Old December 8 2012, 12:17 PM   #5
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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Just because someone is wearing a Starfleet uniform doesn't make them a Starfleet officer otherwise all those people at cons are Starfleeters.
But the probability that person IS a Star Fleet Officer is much greater. Moreover, the promo refers to "from within" the organization, so there you go!
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Old December 8 2012, 12:44 PM   #6
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

To me, it looks like they are combining parts of the Gary Mitchell story with the Wrath of Khan story. If you watch the extended trailer, the scene at the end is pretty much the ending of WoK.
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Old December 8 2012, 01:17 PM   #7
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

In my opinion they thought about Khan at the end of Star Trek 2009. They tried to call Del Toro. Then they gave up and rewrote the character. Cumberbatch is Garth of Izar with elements of Khan and Mitchell.
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Old December 8 2012, 01:19 PM   #8
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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To me, it looks like they are combining parts of the Gary Mitchell story with the Wrath of Khan story.
Because... the villain is strong and wears a Starfleet uniform?

If you watch the extended trailer, the scene at the end is pretty much the ending of WoK.
Deliberately. To generate conversation.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:23 PM   #9
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

Well JJ had talked about this movie reflecting real world events. Terrorism is one of those and Khan fits that role more than self proclaimed God like being.

Mitchell doesn't seem like a Kung fu type either. A genetically engineered person might be more likely to pick up some skills and Mitchell can just Kamehameha someone instead of doing all that punchy stuff. Why would someone with the powers of a God need to run away?
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Old December 9 2012, 06:53 AM   #10
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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To me, it looks like they are combining parts of the Gary Mitchell story with the Wrath of Khan story. If you watch the extended trailer, the scene at the end is pretty much the ending of WoK.
1. Nothing says that the scenes in the trailer and the scenes in the movie have to be in the same order. That scene could be anywhere in the movie.

2. People are assuming that because one of the hands appears to be making a Vulcan salute, and the person is wearing a blue Starfleet uniform, that it has to be Spock and they're redoing the end of TWOK. Abrams has been sneaky enough, keeping everything secret (and deliberately taunting us about it), that this is likely another instance of deliberate misdirection. And even if it is a similar scene, we don't know who's on the inside, dying, and who's on the outside. We saw, what, two seconds of a couple of hands pressing against opposite sides of a glass wall? (Personally, I really like the theory someone posted in another thread that it's Spock and Pike, and Pike is getting the dose of Delta rays that left him disabled in the prime timeline.)
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Old December 9 2012, 06:54 AM   #11
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

Khan + Mitchell = Garth.

It's so obvious now!!!!
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Old December 9 2012, 06:57 AM   #12
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

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In my opinion they thought about Khan at the end of Star Trek 2009. They tried to call Del Toro. Then they gave up and rewrote the character. Cumberbatch is Garth of Izar with elements of Khan and Mitchell.
I think you're right about that. It would explain why they wanted a nonwhite actor, then abruptly switched gears. Trying to pound Khan into a simplified yet grandiose movie script would just end up with a more Mitchell or Garth-with-superpowers character, and Cumberbatch's looks, accent and acting style is a good fit for Garth, questionable for Mitchell and bad for Khan.
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Old December 9 2012, 05:39 PM   #13
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

If he's Khan I don't mind that much about the accent. Same way I don't care that Jean Luc is played by a British Actor. More native sounding speaker doesn't make it any more closer to Garth or Mitchell. Chris Pine also doesn't speak like William Shatner.
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Old December 9 2012, 05:49 PM   #14
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It's not Mitchell.
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Old December 9 2012, 08:56 PM   #15
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Re: Star Trek: Into Darkness - Gary Mitchell

Khan is possible but not original AT ALL. Besides, what would he have against Starfleet anyway? As a lifelong Trek fan nothing about rebooting Khan excites me.
And I'm not understanding why anyone would care about Gary Mitchell as a villian. He's around Kirk's age, is a cadet, and at this point is basically a nobody.

I'm CONVINCED that Garth of Izar is the villian. As a former Fleet Captain he is a historical figure in Starfleet with a backstory. From what I understand, he was turned in and banished by his peers for turning on a race of shape-shifters who nursed him back to life and gave him their physical gifts and abilities to transform. He inevitably was deemed insane by Starfleet and locked away.

IMO, for all these reasons, Garth will make a very interesting, formiddable and exciting villian. I'm convinced!

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