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Old December 10 2012, 02:19 AM   #76
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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I agree. Speculation is fun, wild theories are fun.. and all that's going to end when we find out the truth.
Yes.

Prior to finding out the real plot, the sky is the limit as to what the movie is about, and all speculation on possible plots is fun to talk about.

However, once we all hear what the plot is, all we will have will be a bunch of fans over-analyzing everything about the plot and complaining about the story flaws.
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Old December 10 2012, 04:36 AM   #77
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His identity won't be revealed in the film either.

The end credits list him only as "Villain".


That would be magnificent. And everytime someone says his name in the movie, they're drowned out by an explosion.
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Old December 10 2012, 04:50 AM   #78
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

Reminds me of when the writers didn't call McCoy by name in the TNG pilot and instead just called him Admiral.

I wonder how many people still didn't get who he suppose to be?
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Old December 10 2012, 05:39 AM   #79
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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That would be magnificent. And everytime someone says his name in the movie, they're drowned out by an explosion.
How about every time someone's about to say his name, this plays?
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Old December 10 2012, 07:46 AM   #80
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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His identity won't be revealed in the film either.

The end credits list him only as "Villain".


That would be magnificent. And everytime someone says his name in the movie, they're drowned out by an explosion.

Woah, Pine has a huuuuuge mouth
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Old December 10 2012, 08:30 AM   #81
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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I miss the days when the entire script to a movie was online 17 months prior to release.
I managed to ruin most of "Generations" and "First Contact" and all of "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" that way. Sigh. I'm weak.

Really appreciate JJ's cone of silence.
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Old December 10 2012, 08:53 AM   #82
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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I wonder how many people still didn't get who he suppose to be?
I've seen posters here on TrekBBS argue that it "was not canonical" that McCoy was the Admiral in "Encounter at Farpoint", and therefore refuse to hear it suggested that he was.
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Old December 10 2012, 11:45 AM   #83
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

I remember when Starlog Magazine (Not to mention the plethora of come and go in the night knock off magazines) and Entertainment Tonight were the only avenues of being spoiled on a movie. I lived in a small Kansas town so the only big interaction with other Trek fans I had was through fan networks-pen pals. Things have certainly sped up in fandom!

I guess because growing up in that way I've never felt an entitlement to know every single scrap of info on a movie or a tv show months and months in advance. Like a lot of other people have said, I enjoy the excitement, the debates, the wondering. As a Trek fan it's been far too long since we've had anything really cool to be excited about. I think the super secrecy is ok. It certainly gives me something to talk about at 4 in the morning with all of you.
Hey, and if you're the type that has to know the running length of a movie a year in advance as well as a blow by blow breakdown of every scene before the thing comes out, well I guess that's just fine too. The important thing is that we're all fans, exercising our love of Star Trek in our own unique ways.
I have every faith that no matter what happens on screen we'll all be back here either praising, bemoaning, or lambasting what we saw and how we felt when we saw it all.
I know I will!
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Old December 10 2012, 12:49 PM   #84
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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That would be magnificent. And everytime someone says his name in the movie, they're drowned out by an explosion.
How about every time someone's about to say his name, this plays?
I now want to see a trailer or a TV spot with the character repeatedly saying the villains name only for this to block it out every time.

(For extra points, they should cut out the name entirely so no one can figure it out with sound manipulation).
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Old December 10 2012, 03:00 PM   #85
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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I miss the days when the entire script to a movie was online 17 months prior to release.
Okay, I have to ask: why?

Doesn't that defeat the point of actually seeing the movie the first time?

Unless I'm writing the novelization, I try to avoid spoilers as much as possible.
Because I don't like not knowing. Spoilers don't make a movie worthless. We all know how things play out on our repeat viewings of a movie, don't mean we like them any less.

Spoilers enhance the anticipation of a movie for me and are an integral part of the movie experience. Which Abrams is totally ruining.
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Reminds me of when the writers didn't call McCoy by name in the TNG pilot and instead just called him Admiral.

I wonder how many people still didn't get who he suppose to be?
I've used that example as an argument against blind adherance to only that which is stated on screen.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:55 PM   #86
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His identity won't be revealed in the film either.

The end credits list him only as "Villain".


That would be magnificent. And everytime someone says his name in the movie, they're drowned out by an explosion.
love it!
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Old December 10 2012, 03:58 PM   #87
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I miss the days when the entire script to a movie was online 17 months prior to release.
I managed to ruin most of "Generations" and "First Contact" and all of "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" that way. Sigh. I'm weak.

Really appreciate JJ's cone of silence.
Yes, but Nemesis was so much better in script form, wasn’t it?
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Old December 10 2012, 06:38 PM   #88
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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His identity won't be revealed in the film either.

The end credits list him only as "Villain".


If Abrams had done TWOK, it would've been "Star Trek II: The Wrath of --".

Honestly, the secrecy is weird, but I guess that's J.J.' way.

Still, how can knowledge of who the villain is spoil the movie? Is who he is that big of a reveal?

There can be diminishing returns on carrying the secret too far, too. Frankly, if it comes out it's Khan or Mitchell, I think the first reaction of most folks (even those positive towards the movie) is going to be, "You waited this long to tell us that?"

Heck, I'll be one of the first in line to see it around here even if the Cumberbatch is playing Harry Mudd.

This, combined with the comment someone else made about Nemesis (regarding how the general audiences stayed away because the Trekkies/Trekkers hated it and were vocal about it), is the only thing that worries me.

And I'm still bothered by Abrams waiting 4 frakking years to bring out the sequel when it should have been out in two and half). He captured lightning in a bottle with the first one - it got the fans and the "regular" people excited, and I'm just worried some of the excitement from the not-so-hardcore fans will have faded.

I enjoy speculation, but it needs some direction in order to be helpful hype for the movie's success.




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I wonder how many people still didn't get who he suppose to be?
I've seen posters here on TrekBBS argue that it "was not canonical" that McCoy was the Admiral in "Encounter at Farpoint", and therefore refuse to hear it suggested that he was.
If Bjo Trimble used his tiny cameo as an excuse to put Encounter at Farpoint into her concordance, I don't see how you can argue it any other way.
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Old December 10 2012, 09:29 PM   #89
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Spoilers enhance the anticipation of a movie for me and are an integral part of the movie experience. Which Abrams is totally ruining.
"Totally ruining"?

Really?

After all the spoilers that have been trickling out this week?

You really want the whole script online for 18 months so it can be turn apart and berated like "Insurrection" and "Nemesis"?

I accidentally stumbled across sections of "Insurrection" online where the Son'a were first described, and then the big reveal scene, where the audience realizes that the Son'a and Ba'ku were all one species. I thought it was perfectly fine, but then there was six months or so of doubt and anger from fans, so by the time the film came out it was all ho-hum. Ditto "Nemesis" - denials from Paramount that the leaked script was phony only made things worse when the film played out, line-by-line, exactly as leaked, but without the promised Andorian captain known to Janeway and Picard.

During the lead-up to STs III, IV and V, I helped put together a bimonthly Star Trek fan club newsletter and we ended up creating more and more elaborate "special sealed sections" so as not to ruin the films for members who hated spoilers, but we never pulled together enough to solve every mystery until after premiere night. But the latter films got more and more spoilery by the media. I was really angry with "Cinefantastique" magazine, which captioned an unseen pic of Kim Cattrall as "the traitor Valeris", even though their article itself didn't reveal too many surprises.

I cannot agree that JJ is "totally ruining" anything, except maybe your unique angle on film spoilers.

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Yes, but Nemesis was so much better in script form, wasn’t it?
Sure, which is why I still say it was the direction and editing at fault, not necessarily Logan's script.

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I don't see how you can argue it any other way.
???

But you're not new around here.
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Spoilers actually enhance enjoyment.
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