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Old December 8 2012, 06:57 PM   #46
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

Doing some random Googling, I've just read a couple of very poorly reseached articles online saying the teaser trailer has confirmed the baddie to be Khan

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ne...-watch--86256/
As predicted, Benedict Cumberbatch plays the villain Khan Noonien Singh in the second Star Trek film which features Chris Pine as Captain Kirk.
Clearly they went on faith!
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Old December 8 2012, 07:10 PM   #47
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

^ Not only is it Khan, we are also in uproar about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...=feeds-newsxml
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Old December 8 2012, 07:11 PM   #48
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Looking at Trek Movie's archives, I have determined that the fans knew that the Romulan Nero was the villain by mid-summer 2008. This was less than a year away from the premiere of Star Trek. Now, we have less time before the next film opens, approximately six months, and we don't know who the villain will be or his race.

Lacking alien-ness doesn't automatically make him human. There have been humanoid species, like Garth's people, who look on the exterior like us. The script makes it clear that Garth is not human - he refers to Kirk's species as Earth people. He never addressed himself as a human.
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Old December 8 2012, 07:17 PM   #49
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

^He could have been born on a human colony.
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Old December 8 2012, 07:19 PM   #50
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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Looking at Trek Movie's archives, I have determined that the fans knew that the Romulan Nero was the villain by mid-summer 2008. This was less than a year away from the premiere of Star Trek. Now, we have less time before the next film opens, approximately six months, and we don't know who the villain will be or his race.
yeah but ST09 was originally planned for xmas 2008 so that would've been 6 months in advance of release too...
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Old December 8 2012, 08:05 PM   #51
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3chordboy wrote: View Post
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Looking at Trek Movie's archives, I have determined that the fans knew that the Romulan Nero was the villain by mid-summer 2008. This was less than a year away from the premiere of Star Trek. Now, we have less time before the next film opens, approximately six months, and we don't know who the villain will be or his race.
yeah but ST09 was originally planned for xmas 2008 so that would've been 6 months in advance of release too...
I'm pretty sure we knew in February/March 2008 that the release had been pushed to May 2009...
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Old December 8 2012, 08:13 PM   #52
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Now, we have less time before the next film opens, approximately six months, and we don't know who the villain will be or his race..
But why do we need to know any of that yet? What difference does it make?

Just so we'll have something to debate on-line? Or idle curiousity?

We'll find out when we find out. No big deal.

It's not like it's going to affect my Christmas shopping or anything . . .
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Old December 8 2012, 08:47 PM   #53
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The script makes it clear that Garth is not human - he refers to Kirk's species as Earth people. He never addressed himself as a human.
Maybe. Like you said, it's never made clear. I always just took the "Earth people" line as a part of his madness and a way to show that he had sided with the other patients at the asylum and separated himself from Starfleet.
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Old December 8 2012, 08:55 PM   #54
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The issue is murkier than I thought. We have examples of humanoids calling humans Earth people. We have examples of humans calling themselves as Earth people. So, Garth of Izar could be a humanoid or a human. He further refers to Shakespeare as an "Earth man". Would a human colonist refer to Shakespeare in this way? (The last usage of this phrase appeared in the episode "Justice".)
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Old December 8 2012, 08:59 PM   #55
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The issue is murkier than I thought. We have examples of humanoids calling humans Earth people. We have examples of humans calling themselves as Earth people. So, Garth of Izar could be a humanoid or a human. He further refers to Shakespeare as an "Earth man". Would a human colonist refer to Shakespeare in this way? (The last usage of this phrase appeared in the episode "Justice".)
When he called Shakespeare an Earth man wasn't he talking to Marta though? I don't know. I'm not necessarily disagreeing that he's alien. Considering he's introduced as being insane it's hard to take anything he says seriously either way.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:29 PM   #56
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That sizable audience of average movie-goers will probably be blissfully unaware of the villain's identity until next May -- and some may not even know until they actually see the film.
My favourite quote from a Dad to his young family on opening night of "Star Trek" (2009), as the movie came to a close:

"I thought Eric Bana was supposed to be in this movie?"
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Old December 8 2012, 11:08 PM   #57
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BillJ wrote: View Post
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Looking at Trek Movie's archives, I have determined that the fans knew that the Romulan Nero was the villain by mid-summer 2008. This was less than a year away from the premiere of Star Trek. Now, we have less time before the next film opens, approximately six months, and we don't know who the villain will be or his race.
yeah but ST09 was originally planned for xmas 2008 so that would've been 6 months in advance of release too...
I'm pretty sure we knew in February/March 2008 that the release had been pushed to May 2009...
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Old December 8 2012, 11:20 PM   #58
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

It was late August/early September we first got the rumours that Trek XI's villain was going to be a Romulan. When Eric Bana was cast it was confirmed that the character was named Nero. However, Abrams sat on confirming Nero was Romulan awhile. As of October 10, 2008 we were still only guessing Nero would be a Romulan.

Hell, that thread is practically identical to what we're saying now, only that's about XI.
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Old December 8 2012, 11:40 PM   #59
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Re: With the trailer out why are they keeping the villains ID secret?

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That sizable audience of average movie-goers will probably be blissfully unaware of the villain's identity until next May -- and some may not even know until they actually see the film.
My favourite quote from a Dad to his young family on opening night of "Star Trek" (2009), as the movie came to a close:

"I thought Eric Bana was supposed to be in this movie?"


That's great.

As to Garth, if you grow up on some colony and your parents grew up there and you are far removed from Earth who possibly is seen as giving your colony nothing you are not going to consider yourself an Earth person.
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Old December 9 2012, 12:18 AM   #60
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^ Not only is it Khan, we are also in uproar about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...=feeds-newsxml
I loved this bit:
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Trekkies and Trekkers alike are disgruntled at the new revelation,
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