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Old December 13 2012, 01:38 PM   #31
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Re: Was Cupcake a cadet or he was just taking some extra courses?

I assume McCoy was learning more than "military posturing" in his three years there. Probably expanding his knowledge of "space medicine".
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If there are so many qoutations there because you are saying that he was studying the female anatomy why didn't he go to Risa after finshing his military adjustment courses or signed up for a ship rigt away after he was aclimated to Starfleet.
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Old December 14 2012, 02:34 AM   #32
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Re: Was Cupcake a cadet or he was just taking some extra courses?

I like to think McCoy is a direct commission who was working at Starfleet Medical in San Fran or the Academy itself. TWOK showed that it wasn't unheard of for a commisioned officer to role play in the Kobayashi Maru simulation, even if they are a doctor. I always liked to believe McCoy prime was a direct commission also. It just seemed like it fit his personality.
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Old December 14 2012, 03:00 AM   #33
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Re: Was Cupcake a cadet or he was just taking some extra courses?

Drago-Kazov wrote: View Post
I assume McCoy was learning more than "military posturing" in his three years there. Probably expanding his knowledge of "space medicine".
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If there are so many qoutations there because you are saying that he was studying the female anatomy why didn't he go to Risa after finshing his military adjustment courses or signed up for a ship rigt away after he was aclimated to Starfleet.
I'm sure there was an attempt at a joke in there somewhere.

The first is a actual quote of the term Timo used. The second use quotation marks is to denote a euphemism. In this case space medicine for xeno medicine.
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Old December 18 2012, 07:42 AM   #34
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I like to think McCoy is a direct commission who was working at Starfleet Medical in San Fran or the Academy itself. TWOK showed that it wasn't unheard of for a commisioned officer to role play in the Kobayashi Maru simulation, even if they are a doctor. I always liked to believe McCoy prime was a direct commission also. It just seemed like it fit his personality.
When Mcoy said:

-Study my arse

Were they just coming out of class?
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Old December 18 2012, 08:15 AM   #35
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Drago-Kazov wrote: View Post
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I like to think McCoy is a direct commission who was working at Starfleet Medical in San Fran or the Academy itself. TWOK showed that it wasn't unheard of for a commisioned officer to role play in the Kobayashi Maru simulation, even if they are a doctor. I always liked to believe McCoy prime was a direct commission also. It just seemed like it fit his personality.
When Mcoy said:

-Study my arse
Were they just coming out of class?
No way to know. They were on the Academy Grounds is all that was presented. Could be between classes, could before the start of their day or at the end. My guess is Kirk was coming from a meeting with who ever okayed Kirk taking the KM for a third time. As for McCoy, he probably was crossing the grounds and Kirk spotted him and called him over.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:00 AM   #36
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What status McCoy would have held is also quite unclear. He emphatically says that he's "a doctor" and "busy", so probably he isn't studying unless we count doing practice as studies.

We don't know how tightly grouped Kirk's three no-win scenario tests were. For all we know, Kirk and McCoy had just emerged from the changing room after Kirk's second attempt, in which McCoy had been a mere guest just like he would in the third (or as in Saavik's test).

Kirk does say he intends to try for the third time the very next day. Why would he burst out the news at a random date long after the second attempt when he seems so highly motivated to do it again and again and again? And if the interval between #2 and #3 is short, yet necessarily includes the bit where Kirk sabotages the computers, then the interval between #1 and #2 might have been equally short. Unless it involved soul-searching whereas #2-#3 did not.

Uniform color probably has very little to do with status, as commissioned people like Sulu and Chekov appear in the final scene in the same red that the decidedly ungraduated Kirk originally wore. We have no real reason to think that Sulu would have been associated with the Academy in any way, either as a cadet or as an instructor; the red (and black) uniforms might be mere generic "ground attire" for all Starfleet personnel, as opposed to the shipboard color-coded shirts.

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Old December 18 2012, 10:28 AM   #37
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IIRC McCoy was wearing a uniform with Lt. Cmdr.-stripes on the Enterprise (even before anyone had done anything that would warrant a field commission).
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Old December 18 2012, 12:46 PM   #38
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Indeed. I guess it's okay for him to have graduated with something like Lt (jg) rank, and for Pike to have made the graduation happen in 2½ seconds once the balloon went up, but jumping to LtCmdr doesn't make much sense.

It's sort of funny that the only two people aboard Pike's ship who get addressed as cadets, Kirk and Uhura, both lack rank identifiers on their uniforms; Kirk because he doesn't dress up properly when stumbling out of sickbay, Uhura because apparently sleeves are optional. Supposedly, some screen readout or another identifies Kirk as a Lieutenant - where is that?

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Old December 18 2012, 01:08 PM   #39
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Supposedly, some screen readout or another identifies Kirk as a Lieutenant - where is that?
The transporter, when they're trying to beam Kirk and Sulu away from the drill.
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Old December 18 2012, 01:18 PM   #40
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I'm trying to see it, but to no avail. There are three screencaps at TrekCore, all with prominent graphic symbols for tha falling heroes, but none with the supposed text, at least not in anything approximating focus.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1552.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1555.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1556.jpg

Going through the DVD next.

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Old December 18 2012, 01:18 PM   #41
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Re: Was Cupcake a cadet or he was just taking some extra courses?

It's a reference to all the 50-60 year old ensigns and jnr lts we sometimes see

He could pass for late 20s/early 30s, but I doubt there is an age limit for the academy.
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Old December 18 2012, 01:28 PM   #42
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I'm trying to see it, but to no avail. There are three screencaps at TrekCore, all with prominent graphic symbols for tha falling heroes, but none with the supposed text, at least not in anything approximating focus.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1552.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1555.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1556.jpg

Going through the DVD next.

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Old December 18 2012, 01:32 PM   #43
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Re: Was Cupcake a cadet or he was just taking some extra courses?

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I'm trying to see it, but to no avail. There are three screencaps at TrekCore, all with prominent graphic symbols for tha falling heroes, but none with the supposed text, at least not in anything approximating focus.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1552.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1555.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd1556.jpg

Going through the DVD next.

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