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Old December 7 2012, 07:24 PM   #1
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What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'...

I've put this theory out before, but what a wonderful way to introduce the Klingons into Nu Trek and play off the TOS concept of Klingons looking human, or possibly surgically altered, or virus altered as in Enterprise. No matter how they do it, Kang looking human (and a iconic canonical character) is not out of the realm of the rebooted mish-mash of old and new that is Abrams's Trek.

It makes a little sense, his apparent strength, agility, the fighting style, the anger, and the revenge... it's all very "Klingy". I could see Kang being a rogue, or part of a Kilingon terrorist cell or faction, angry at the Federation and it's freedoms and decadence (*coff* Al Qaeda *coff*). Perhaps he's even a sleeper agent made to look human. A devastated Starfleet and blown up Vulcan, thanks all to Nero, could leave an opening for a highly planned Klingon raid on the Federation and Kang leads the charge.
Perhaps Nero was even part of that plan, in deleted scenes Nero is captured by and in a Klingon prison, so maybe instead, the Klingons harbored the criminal Nero, protected him, then let him have his revenge on Vulcan and Starfleet to set it all into motion.

PS, I remember rumblings that Abrams wanted Liam Neeson to play Kang in the Trek sequel a few years back... PLUS, the apparent almost casting of Benicio Del Toro, that dude is very Klingon-esque...hmm?

Anyway, It's just playful speculation, nothing more... crazy thought?
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Old December 7 2012, 07:27 PM   #2
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

He's obviously playing Arne Darvin. Sheesh!
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Old December 7 2012, 08:01 PM   #3
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

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He's obviously playing Arne Darvin. Sheesh!
I'm not sure how serious you are, but I actually have not totally discounted this theory. Let's consider that one of the original choices to play this part was Benicio Del Toro -- and Arne Darvin was a bit "swarthy".

I realize that Cumberbatch is pasty white, but after Del Toro pulled out, maybe the producers figured that Darvin did not NEED to have a tanned complexion. Having said that, Cumberbatch does not look too pasty white in that trailer.

I'm not saying I think he is Darvin, but I would not be shocked to find out that he is. If he is, I doubt it has anything at all to do with tribbles. However, a good story can be told using the premise of a Klingon spy working within the Federation (or Star fleet).
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Old December 7 2012, 08:11 PM   #4
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me, myself, I'm not in the Darvin camp, I'm talking full on KANG !!!
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Old December 7 2012, 08:30 PM   #5
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

Another vote for Darvin ... I've been thinking about this for weeks, but it seemed that I was the only one.
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Old December 7 2012, 08:45 PM   #6
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

Nah, it's Koloth!
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Old December 7 2012, 08:47 PM   #7
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

Kang is in Starfleet? oh no, wait, he isn't. This guy is.
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Old December 7 2012, 09:15 PM   #8
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Kang is in Starfleet? oh no, wait, he isn't. This guy is.
Sleeper agent, could be why he might be altered human.
See: "Homeland" on showtime.
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Old December 7 2012, 09:34 PM   #9
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Arne Darvin was a pussy. Cumberbatch's villain is a BAMF.
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Old December 7 2012, 09:36 PM   #10
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Arne Darvin was a pussy.
...but that was another life.
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Old December 7 2012, 10:03 PM   #11
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

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Chemahkuu wrote: View Post
Kang is in Starfleet? oh no, wait, he isn't. This guy is.
Sleeper agent, could be why he might be altered human.
See: "Homeland" on showtime.
You think he could be a Klingon sleeper agent altered to seem human...
...but you think it is Kang rather than Darvin?

And before anyone points it out, I do realize Arne Darvin was not in Starfleet, but was instead a Federation Bureaucrat.
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Old December 7 2012, 10:11 PM   #12
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

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Chemahkuu wrote: View Post
Kang is in Starfleet? oh no, wait, he isn't. This guy is.
Sleeper agent, could be why he might be altered human.
See: "Homeland" on showtime.
You think he could be a Klingon sleeper agent altered to seem human...
...but you think it is Kang rather than Darvin?

And before anyone points it out, I do realize Arne Darvin was not in "Starfleet", but was instead a Federation Bureaucrat.
Darvin was also found out by McCoy using a simple field medical scanner. If he infiltrated Starfleet for years, or even its bureaucracy, he'd better have had a better genetic altering job than he did in TTWT.

Also, what vengeance is a Klingon seeking? Particularly one placed there perhaps years ago to finally carry out some scheme. If anything, the Klingons should be pissed at the Romulans for Nero destroying 47 of their ships.

Cumberbatch also seems like someone with a personal vendetta to carry out.

And, do we really want a villain with a name that sounds like he should be the local pro at a public golf links?
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Old December 7 2012, 10:47 PM   #13
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Jackson_Roykirk wrote: View Post
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Chemahkuu wrote: View Post
Kang is in Starfleet? oh no, wait, he isn't. This guy is.
Sleeper agent, could be why he might be altered human.
See: "Homeland" on showtime.
You think he could be a Klingon sleeper agent altered to seem human...
...but you think it is Kang rather than Darvin?

And before anyone points it out, I do realize Arne Darvin was not in Starfleet, but was instead a Federation Bureaucrat.
I think a lot of things are possible in an altered Trekverse... new ideas can be explored. Pike ain't the plaything of big heads, Uhura and Spock yum yum, Kirk dad dead. Kang is a sleeper agent. Vulcan gone, bing a bing bing.



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Sleeper agent, could be why he might be altered human.
See: "Homeland" on showtime.
You think he could be a Klingon sleeper agent altered to seem human...
...but you think it is Kang rather than Darvin?

And before anyone points it out, I do realize Arne Darvin was not in "Starfleet", but was instead a Federation Bureaucrat.
Darvin was also found out by McCoy using a simple field medical scanner. If he infiltrated Starfleet for years, or even its bureaucracy, he'd better have had a better genetic altering job than he did in TTWT.

Also, what vengeance is a Klingon seeking? Particularly one placed there perhaps years ago to finally carry out some scheme. If anything, the Klingons should be pissed at the Romulans for Nero destroying 47 of their ships.

Cumberbatch also seems like someone with a personal vendetta to carry out.

And, do we really want a villain with a name that sounds like he should be the local pro at a public golf links?
Good points all... we'll see, I'm just rootin' for a Kang thang. His motivations could be multi-fold. He takes the assignment to bring down Starfleet BECAUSE he wants vengeance from Starfleet, or maybe he's a rogue and does it all on his own, whatever, all encompassing kinda stuff.

PS, Darvin sucks, Kang is the man
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Old December 7 2012, 10:51 PM   #14
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Re: What if the Cumberbatch villain is the Klingon Kang? Just sayin'..

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me, myself, I'm not in the Darvin camp, I'm talking full on KANG !!!
Or, as I've suggested before, the dual roles of Koloth and Trelane.
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