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Old December 6 2012, 09:55 PM   #406
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Re: The Star Trek Into Darkness teaser trailer is here!

Or veiled by *gasp* millions of gallons of alien water pouring off her in large amounts completely obscuring parts of her from view in the 2.3 seconds we get to see her.
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Old December 6 2012, 09:56 PM   #407
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The nacelle is pretty severely foreshortened by perspective in that shot, which is throwing a lot of people off, but I have no doubt it's the same Enterprise from the last film.
Are you sure this is the same
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ekxihd2374.jpg

as this
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...ness_hd_25.jpg

I assume you remember all about the fins and the moving parts on these nacelles when they are active?
I do, and I can see that the fins aren't extended/open in the water-shot.
I still think they look different.
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Old December 6 2012, 09:56 PM   #408
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Re: The Star Trek Into Darkness teaser trailer is here!

Maybe the Enterprise just needed a wash after being in the dust of that gas giant in the last film?
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Old December 6 2012, 09:56 PM   #409
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Maybe the Enterprise has a submarine mode...
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Old December 6 2012, 09:57 PM   #410
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Maybe the Enterprise just needed a wash after being in the dust of that gas giant in the last film?
They at least had to repair all the gravitational damage from the black hole ripping her up and the damage on the port nacelle from the Mayflowers saucer impacting it.
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Old December 6 2012, 09:58 PM   #411
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oh no, not this fake Trek again... Hugh Everett III was a quack! Amanda Lives!!!!

But I suppose I will watch anyway. Just because of fear of missing out.
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Old December 6 2012, 09:58 PM   #412
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Or veiled by *gasp* millions of gallons of alien water pouring off her in large amounts completely obscuring parts of her from view in the 2.3 seconds we get to see her.
No, the water at the back end of the nacelle is mostly gone, and there is no downward swoop on the fin. Look at the yellow line on my second picture
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Old December 6 2012, 09:59 PM   #413
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I assume you remember all about the fins and the moving parts on these nacelles when they are active?
I do, and I can see that the fins aren't extended/open in the water-shot.
I still think they look different.
Fair enough. There might have been modifications or the water could be distorting what we see.

Either way, one thing I can't accept is that it's not the big E.
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Old December 6 2012, 09:59 PM   #414
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I assume you remember all about the fins and the moving parts on these nacelles when they are active?
I do, and I can see that the fins aren't extended/open in the water-shot.
I still think they look different.
They're not different. It's exactly the same.

BTW, you can clearly see the hull lettering NCC-17__ on the nacelle.
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Old December 6 2012, 10:01 PM   #415
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No, the water at the back end of the nacelle is mostly gone, and there is no downward swoop on the fin. Look at the yellow line on my second picture because.
Here's a thought. It's not rising perfectly on the level and the nacelles are pointed up a bit. Your reading too much into an obscured image.
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Old December 6 2012, 10:02 PM   #416
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So, with the WoK style sequence, the hands, could it be Pike and Spock, after Pike rescues some cadets from "an old Class J starship"?
What if it's Old Spock and new Spock

Old Spock: "Ship, out of danger?"

New Spock: "Yes"

Old Spock: "You must mind meld with Jim, then, you'll know what to do."

New Spock and Old Spock simultaneously: "Live long and prosper."

Old Spock: :"ugh."

McCoy: "He's dead Jim."
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Old December 6 2012, 10:04 PM   #417
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The ship coming out of the water looked like a shuttlecraft.
Thank you. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who saw the same thing. Probably one of the "shuttle-on-'roids" from the first movie.

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Old December 6 2012, 10:04 PM   #418
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Could be their version of the Runabout.
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Old December 6 2012, 10:04 PM   #419
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No, the water at the back end of the nacelle is mostly gone, and there is no downward swoop on the fin. Look at the yellow line on my second picture because.
Here's a thought. It's not rising perfectly on the level and the nacelles are pointed up a bit. Your reading too much into an obscured image.
Well exactly, the fins would collect water between them, the nacelle is not perfectly straight etc

They wouldn't waste this shot on anything but the big E herself, nothing else.
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Old December 6 2012, 10:08 PM   #420
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The nacelle is pretty severely foreshortened by perspective in that shot, which is throwing a lot of people off, but I have no doubt it's the same Enterprise from the last film.
I took that into account. Foreshortening still doesn't account for a complete lack of downward swoop on the engine fin. Plus the glowy thing at the back of the nacelle is higher than the run off at the front. If this were the original engines, sure, foreshortening *might* account for such elevations....but given how huge the front is now, I don't think it could. Also, the wall of water is pretty solid until a certain point, and then you can see the water moving behind the nacelle.

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I think Mad Man 1701 built a 3D model....Maybe we can get some renders from this angle.

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I still don't see why some think that the beauty shot of a starship rising form the water would be wasted on anything other than the Enterprise.

It reminds me how back in the day, when we saw the 2009 trailers, some were saying that it wasn't the Enterprise in the shipyard being built on Earth.
Well people are pretty certain it's not the Enterprise crashing. So two ships end up in water?
From the official synopsis:
"has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis."

Again, based on this, and the limited info in the trailer, we don't know how many starships are dropped from orbit. Given the epic scale of movie Trek now, it could be many more than two and would also be an epic blow to Starfleet as well as making each falling ship a weapon of mass destruction if it hit a populated area.
Indeed I did... 6 different versions until I got it to about 80% right.

The engines are the same... after looking at them and building them over and over, it's pretty obvious. Like Vektor said, it's just the perspective that makes them look different. If you look closely, you can see the rim of the saucer starting to come through the water, too...

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