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Old December 6 2012, 04:44 PM   #256
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It's a new character altogether most likely, someone in Starfleet, someone who has a grudge largely against the Federation itself, with Kirk caught up in it.
At this point, i hope it is a new character, but then, i do wonder about the 'accidental slip' from the Mccoy actor six months ago when he said Cumberpatch will be a great Gary. Legit slip or JJ abrams placed 'throw' put into place with the actor?
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Old December 6 2012, 04:47 PM   #257
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The actors have been messing with the public and the fans for the last year at least, I wouldn't take it seriously.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:47 PM   #258
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Old December 6 2012, 04:47 PM   #259
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...i do wonder about the 'accidental slip' from the Mccoy actor six months ago when he said Cumberpatch will be a great Gary. Legit slip or JJ abrams placed 'throw' put into place with the actor?
How about "it was an obvious, broad, simple joke which the actor continued to build on for some time afterward?"
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Old December 6 2012, 04:47 PM   #260
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*yawn* So they've taken the characters from Star Trek and slapped them on generic blockbuster action movie 'splosion fest # 2,372. I know it's only a teaser, but this feels so much like any of a million other blockbuster action films. I suppose we'll see.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:50 PM   #261
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*yawn* So they've taken the characters from Star Trek and slapped them on generic blockbuster action movie 'splosion fest # 2,372. I know it's only a teaser, but this feels so much like any of a million other blockbuster action films. I suppose we'll see.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:53 PM   #262
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Been away for awhile. (Look, I'm still rocking a sombrero!) But now that we have something to actually talk about...

A few things that I noticed. First, the synopsis from the Itunes Movie Trailer site:

"When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis. With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction. As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew." (Emphasis mine.)

So we have a threat from within Starfleet (Sec.31 perhaps)...We have Peter Weller in the cast (remember him from ENT?)...We have a weird looking planet covered with vines...then what could be a planet self destructing in volcanic glory (Genesis, anyone? Which would make Eve's character Carol Marcus in my mind.) We have a "one man weapon of mass destruction" (aka genetically engineered superman Khan).

My theory so far (and it is total conjecture, but then again so is everything else): Khan is in this movie, but he is not the primary villain. The Big Bad is somebody else (Weller perhaps, going back to his xenophobic organization from ENT?). And Kirk and crew go to retrieve an imprisoned Khan who the Klingons somehow got their hands on in the Abramsverse, because they think Khan can somehow stop whatever the Weller character is up to. The "family" is the crew of the Enterprise, and by extension Starfleet itself. Which someone (not Khan) is trying to destroy from within.

This would certainly turn some things on their heads. Which I like. What's the point of the alternate universe if you don't play around with things? Having Khan as some sort of antihero with whom the crew forge an uneasy alliance, instead of a straight-up mustachio twisting baddie would be interesting to me. And it would bring together a lot of different prime universe threads in a totally new way.

If anyone has heard any details about Weller's character that could dump a big bucket of cold water on my theory, let me know. I haven't been following the rumor mill. The plot synopsis on Itunes got me thinking, that's all.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:55 PM   #263
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Great trailer. My take, based on little but speculation and the odd titbit is as follows:

- BC is not Khan (too Caucasian and English), Mitchell (too English, doesn't appear to have the same godlike powers) or Garth (too young) but an entirely new character;

- Alice Eve is either Carol Marcus or Elizabeth Dehner;

- the ship in the water is that of Peter Weller, who will not have a massive role in the movie. He'll be the equivalent of Capt Robau, his purpose will be to show us another brave starfleet crew getting creamed;

- the hands meeting at the glass are those of Pike and Spock. Pike will die in a manner not unlike how prime-Pike suffered the horrendous injuries. His death would provoke emotion in Uhura (the scene of her crying) and even Spock. The scene is deliberately redolent of TWOK but I don't think they'd kill Spock again in such a fashion;

- OTOH, there isn't a lot of Bones in this trailer. Perhaps he bites the dust in that scene? Unlikely, given the uniform colour (I think the person in the blue uniform is okay and the other one is in danger or dying), but who knows? Could that be this movie's version of the destruction of Vulcan? Showing that nothing and no-one is safe in nuTrek? (No Genesis or Katra up their sleeves for poor old McCoy).

- BC's character is probably, almost certainly Starfleet. No background knowledge is required for understanding him. We'll see something happening to his crew near the start, which will explain why he's back for vengeance. Expect him to have some sort of legitimate beef with Starfleet.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:55 PM   #264
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*yawn* So they've taken the characters from Star Trek and slapped them on generic blockbuster action movie 'splosion fest # 2,372. I know it's only a teaser, but this feels so much like any of a million other blockbuster action films. I suppose we'll see.
Same here. It's not that I am angry or disappointed, but this trailer left me cold. I just didn't care. We've seen these things a thousand times already.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:56 PM   #265
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It's a new character altogether most likely, someone in Starfleet, someone who has a grudge largely against the Federation itself, with Kirk caught up in it.
I thought the writers had said it would be someone from the original series?
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Old December 6 2012, 04:57 PM   #266
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This is how stupid the "Gary Mitchell" stuff is: I can pick out three things from this trailer - the "I have returned for vengeance" line, the "family" remark RE: McGivers, and the shot in the Japanese trailer of Kirk and Spock touching hands and claim that it's a remake of Wrath Of Khan.

Which would be unjustifiable bullshit, but then so is the MitchellHead blather.
As iu saidd beforee it couldd well be a tot
ally re imagined khan, however the revenge they would be talking about would be for Mitchell's death in the comic book... He was buried in space... Mitchell knows kirk's family. Also cumberpatch could be talking about his crew as family.
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Old December 6 2012, 04:57 PM   #267
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I really wonder about this idea of Khan, it would go along with the old storyline, but JJ Abrams is full of surprises, so only one could guess what he will come up with next. To me Into Darkness looks like just another action film. Kind of getting away from the usual "Star Trek" exploring the galaxies and planets, to fighting bad guys all the time, haha
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Old December 6 2012, 05:00 PM   #268
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It's a new character altogether most likely, someone in Starfleet, someone who has a grudge largely against the Federation itself, with Kirk caught up in it.
I thought the writers had said it would be someone from the original series?
I don't remember any statement to that effect.
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Old December 6 2012, 05:00 PM   #269
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*yawn* So they've taken the characters from Star Trek and slapped them on generic blockbuster action movie 'splosion fest # 2,372. I know it's only a teaser, but this feels so much like any of a million other blockbuster action films. I suppose we'll see.
Same here. It's not that I am angry or disappointed, but this trailer left me cold. I just didn't care. We've seen these things a thousand times already.
That's it, exactly. It's not that the trailer looks like it will be a bad film. Just that it really looks like they're trying to shoehorn the Trek characters into the generic cookie cutter summer action blockbuster.
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Old December 6 2012, 05:02 PM   #270
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I am cautiously optimistic about this movie.

For the record, I think Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a character from the first season of Star Trek, I just don't know who.
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