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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
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F 1 0.52%
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Old December 13 2012, 11:46 PM   #91
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The non-IMAX have a trailer, but, not the "First 9 minutes of the movie" that IMAX has (And not all IMAX showings have the 9 minutes either)
How do you find out which theaters have the trailer and not? They aren't advertising - at least here in ATL - whether they do or not?

I guess I could call too.
There's a thread in Star Trek movies XI-XX, I believe a Trek Today story that has a link
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Old December 14 2012, 02:23 AM   #92
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I was wondering if anyone knows definitively if the Trek 9 minute trailer is only in IMAX theaters or at all showings of the film? The only reason I'm seeing this film and not waiting for the DVD is because of the Trek trailer.
I'm sure soon enough the 9 minutes will be on the web. Why not save yourself money?
To be fair, IMAX 9 minute preview >>>>> crappy cam quality leaked 9 minute preview.
I was more thinking at some point it will be officially put up on the web.
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Old December 14 2012, 03:49 AM   #93
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Okay I'll admit the 48fps sometimes looked a bit jerky when people were moving around. Like the projector had currently forgotten how to time the frames. Otherwise it was pretty unoticeable to me.

Film was visually spectacular and enthralling, and it's nice to see a Middle-earth film put the dwarves front and center as the Erebor prelude did. It's not as good as any of the LOTR films, and it's choppily paced, and it often tries to sell moments as if it's LOTR in ways that don't work (this dwarven band is not exactly the Fellowship), and there is some padding in that Frodo's scene is very pointless, and the action sequences often don't have the same weight or feel kind of arbitrary like the whole 'entire dwarf company hangs on tree while Thorin fights' kind of way.

Serkis and Freeman acting off each other was the highlight of the movie.

All in all I enjoyed it and am looking forward to the sequel.
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I was more thinking at some point it will be officially put up on the web.
I doubt it. Did Batman ever do that with the first six mintues of their movies?
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Old December 14 2012, 11:49 AM   #94
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Go see this movie.... NOW!!!!!!

I just got back, and I absolutely loved the movie. The tone is both fresh and unique while simultaneously being vintage LotR/Peter Jackson fare, and it was a treat getting to see so many familiar faces in this earlier time frame. It's been so long since I read The Hobbit that I'd forgotten a lot of the specific beats of the story, even though I remembered many of the broader structural details, but found myself more than able to follow what was happening.

I loved the prologue with the fall of Erebor juxtaposed with the cameos from Ian Holm and Elijah Wood, and it served as a great introduction not only to the film, but also to Thorin and his storyline. One thing I did notice about the prologue and the cameos from Holm and Wood is that they had to so greatly de-age Holm that he looks a lot younger than he does at the beginning of Fellowship, which this film's framing device is meant to lead into. This isn't that big of a deal in the long run, but is noticeable enough that it does warrant mentioning.

The film has a lot more comedy than any of the LotR films, which I think is fitting given that this is meant to be a much different period in the history of Middle-Earth, one that doesn't yet have the clouds of war and darkness hanging over it.

All of the Dwarves get some focus, but the film does clearly belong to Thorin and Bilbo, both of whom drive the narrative along as we really start to feel for the both of them. There's a great buildup of subtle tension between the two characters throughout the film that is paid off perfectly during its final climactic moments.

The Riddles in the Dark sequence is one of the many highlights of the film, with Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis playing off of one another perfectly.

I was expecting the film to end on a cliffhanger with the Company stuck in the trees surrounded by Azhog and his Orcs, and was pleasantly surprised when it didn't.

It's really going to suck having to wait an entire year to see the next entry in the series, but it'll definitely be worth the wait.

BTW, I voted an A+ in the poll and would give the film a star rating of 5 out of 5.
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Old December 14 2012, 04:06 PM   #95
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I was more thinking at some point it will be officially put up on the web.
I doubt it. Did Batman ever do that with the first six mintues of their movies?
I thought so. But, I don't remember. But, I also think its weird to pay for a movie just to see a trailer.
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Old December 14 2012, 04:11 PM   #96
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Something went very very wrong here.





Interestingly enough, I've never been more enthusiastic about it. Especially after seeing Fellowship Extended again yesterday. It's been a while.
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Old December 14 2012, 06:54 PM   #97
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C-, and a lot of that is for the Gollum scenes. As we came to the end of the fight in the Goblin kingdom, it struck me. I'm watching 'The Goonies go to Middle Earth'. Sadly, The Hobbit has no heart, childish humour, overblown action set pieces and takes nearly 3 hours to get almost nowhere. Very disappointed.
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Old December 14 2012, 07:17 PM   #98
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"An improvement over The Phantom Menace" must be the most damningly faint praise in the history of movie reviewing.
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Old December 14 2012, 08:27 PM   #99
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I pay very little attention to critical scores. The film grossed 13 million in midnight showings, and that, coupled with the 81% audience score, tells me that this film is going to be a huge box-office success and hit with audiences, even if it fails with the critics.
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Old December 14 2012, 08:38 PM   #100
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I pay very little attention to critical scores.
You rugged individualist, you.
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Old December 14 2012, 08:50 PM   #101
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^ I stopped paying attention to critical scores when Dodgeball came out. One of my local critics gave the film 3 stars, so my friend and his girlfriend talked me into going to see it with them even though I typically don't like that type of movie, although they both do, and all 3 of us were seriously considering getting up and walking out, and universally said that it was one of the stupidest movies we'd ever seen.

My philosophy regarding films is this: go see it yourself and make your own judgment call.

Anyway, I digress.

I didn't mention this in my earlier review, but it was neat seeing how Gandalf and Bilbo ended up with Glamdring and Sting, since, as I noted, I didn't remember a lot of the specific details about the story.

I also really got a kick out of Radagast the Brown, which is another thing I neglected to mention in my earlier review. What made the character even better for me was how quickly Saruman dismissed him as a doddering old coot. Speaking of Christopher Lee and Saruman, they de-aged him a lot more than I was expecting them to, which really makes me wonder what happened to him in the 60 intervening years between this story and the events of LotR that caused his beard to go almost completely white.
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Old December 14 2012, 09:43 PM   #102
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My philosophy regarding films is this: go see it yourself and make your own judgment call.
So, what you're saying is: you're just like everyone else.

Contempt for critics is universal. Nobody listens to them. Or at the very least, nobody will admit to listening to them.

In such a climate, actually admitting that you listen to critics, and allow them to guide your filmgoing choices, is an act of rebellious nonconformity.

So: while the rest of you sheeple are blindly following your own tastes and inclinations, and making your own judgment calls, I'm going to take some expert advice, and see what the critics have to say.
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Old December 14 2012, 09:58 PM   #103
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I don't read reviews, because reviewers are not me and thus aren't very good judges of how much I will enjoy a movie. I really like some movies/games/books that other people can't stand, and vice-versa. Anyways on to my review!

I think it tries way too hard in the beginning to link this film to the Lord of the Rings films, somewhat assuming that you've already seen those to begin with. Birthday party? Who's Frodo? etc. I've seen the movies and I know what they were going for, but it feels somewhat inappropriate for a prequel, especially if you're a newcomer watching the movies in chronological order.

I somewhat like the more cartooony feel that comes in sometime, with the Dwarves cleaning the dishes and especially the Goblin King. For a few minutes I almost thought this film was going to be a musical, with two songs in relatively quick succession. But musicals aren't popular today, and for every song I liked there would probably be three that I hated.

Since it's impossible to write for 13 dwarves and make them all good, I think it was a good idea that they gave them all unique visual designs instead of giving everyone at least one scene. They're all fairly memorable, despite some of them not having any lines that I can remember.

Of the changes to the source material, I think the one that I like least is the White Orc. This film doesn't really need any more bad guys, and the escape from the Goblin King is a fitting end to the first half without adding another villain. I cared a lot more about the Necromancer and Mirkwood than the White Orc, supposedly the main obstacle on their journey to Erebor. They could have cut one out and fleshed out the other, but they tried to have their cake and eat it too. There was no reason for him to have been CG either, considering the excellent prosthetics they had for much less important Orcs in the LoTR trilogy.

Everything else in the movie was cool. The goblins were vicious, the trolls were hilarious, Gollum was suitably crazy, the Necromancer was terrifying, and the escape with the Eagles was a pretty good point to cut off Part 1. Most of the combinations, additions and exclusions from the source material are for the better, except for the White Orc of course. B+.
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Old December 14 2012, 10:46 PM   #104
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I really enjoyed it. I saw it in 3D, and while I didn't ask I think the theater I went to was showing it in 24 FPS, because I didn't notice anything different about the picture or the way the characters moved. Simply a gorgeous film, though. While the movie probably didn't need to be filmed in 3D it was pretty neat to see the added depth and texture it gave to Middle-earth.

Martin Freeman was excellent as Bilbo. I thought he did a terrific job of taking Bilbo from his initial reluctance to wholeheartedly joining the adventure, then struggling with his self-doubt and eventually finding his courage. I really liked Richard Armitage's Thorin, too. I enjoyed the development of his relationship with Bilbo.

Radagast was pretty fun. I'm not very familiar with Sylvester McCoy, but he did a good job. I wasn't expecting the character to be quite that goofy, but it was fine. Makes me wonder how he'd have done as Bilbo in LOTR if Ian Holm hadn't accepted the part. And Ian McKellen was excellent as Gandalf, of course. I actually enjoyed all of the Dwarves, though I think Bombur was the only one who didn't have any lines at all. Bifur didn't, either, but that's because he can't speak.

I haven't read the book in years, so of course I don't remember all of the details anymore, but I liked just about all of the additions they made to the story. It was cool to see some background on the War of the Dwarves and Orcs, and to see how Thorin earned his Oakenshield moniker. I didn't mind the expansion of Azog's role and his enmity towards the Line of Dúrin; I thought it gave the story some added weight, and added something to Thorin's arc. There's no real antagonist throughout the story in the book, only the foreboding presence of Smaug (and now the Necromancer/Sauron), so for me it made sense to include a villain character who had a physical presence and gave the characters a genuine threat to worry about from the beginning.

It was a treat to see Andy Serkis' Gollum again, and he and Freeman were fantastic together during the Riddles in the Dark scene. That's where Gollum's part in the story ends in the book, but it wouldn't surprise me if Jackson has him show up again in either of the next two movies. I hope not, though. There were enough callbacks to LOTR in this movie; I think it's time to let the next two stand alone.

Overall, I thought it was great. I did think the movie took a little while to get going, but once it did I enjoyed the ride immensely.

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Old December 14 2012, 11:05 PM   #105
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^ I stopped paying attention to critical scores when Dodgeball came out. One of my local critics gave the film 3 stars, so my friend and his girlfriend talked me into going to see it with them even though I typically don't like that type of movie, although they both do, and all 3 of us were seriously considering getting up and walking out, and universally said that it was one of the stupidest movies we'd ever seen.
Personally, I like reading certain critics, like Ebert and Roeper, even though I often think they're full of shit.

As for Rotten Tomatoes, my opinion of movies is in line with their scores 85% of the time.

There are cases when I think all these critics have gone mad, though. For example, they almost universally praised "Bridesmaids", which I found atrocious, even appalling.

That being said, I honestly can't wait to see The Hobbit. But I'd be lying if I sad I wasn't worried.
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