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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
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Old January 13 2013, 05:44 AM   #451
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Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Grading & Discussion (Spoilers

Also, we already have a production still from The Desolation of Smaug of Bilbo on a pile of gold looking rather frightened.
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Old January 13 2013, 06:03 AM   #452
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No way, Movie 2 will be all about Smaug, the way Two Towers was all about Saruman. Movie 3 will be Battle of 5 Armies.

I just read the book and there's not a lot of events between Frying Pan and Smaug. You've got Beorn, spiders, elves, Laketown, that's it!
Looks like it'll probably also include Gandalf exploring Dol Guldur (as seen in the trailers for AUJ before the duology became a triology) and at least the lead-up to the White Council's attack against the Necromancer, if not the attack itself.
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Old January 13 2013, 07:06 AM   #453
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Old January 13 2013, 08:14 AM   #454
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Well, I finally got around to watching the movie in regular 3D.

I quite liked it. There was a much lighter tone than LotR, but then again, the book was a lighter tone as well. I was sad that we didn't see Gandalf provoking an argument among the troll, or that song they had, but it was great to have the dwarves washing-the-dishes song.

I also like the added tuff they put in regarding the necromancer. I haven't read those bits of the LotR appendices, so I don't know how accurate it is to what they;ve got, but it's nice to see that they are bridging the gap.

Some of the bits where they were escaping from the orcs underground (the ladder, sweeping the big pole from side to side, etc) felt like they were just in there to look cool, and it didn't have the same "part of the action" feel that the escape down the stairs in Moria had in FotR.

All in all, a very nice movie. As I said before, I hated the HFR stuff. It made everything look like it was in fast forward due to an optical illusion caused by lack of motion blur. Hopefully by the time the next movie comes out they'll have solved that problem.
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Old January 13 2013, 12:20 PM   #455
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I liked it.
I fell asleep for a bit when they fought the rock things. Maybe that's why I thought it could have been a bit longer...
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Old January 13 2013, 01:54 PM   #456
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I kept hoping the Orcs would sing "15 birds in 5 fir trees"
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Old January 13 2013, 02:57 PM   #457
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I watched it in regular 3D, HFR and regular 2D... I honestly did not see any difference from the HFR to the normal frame rate, and 3D doesn't do anything for me.

Thing is, this being a good film, 3D isn't going to make it any better. After all, this isn't Avatar. YMMV, but Avatar sucked without the 3D wow-effect. The Hobbit isn't going to get better or worse with or without 3D.


But everyone's complaining about the HFR, and my brain simply could not process it.
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Old January 13 2013, 04:23 PM   #458
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But everyone's complaining about the HFR, and my brain simply could not process it.
That's just not possible. 3D, yes, not everyone is capable of stereoscopic vision. HFR, no. Everyone is capable of processing that. You might not have recognized a difference, but you clearly processed it properly.

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No way, Movie 2 will be all about Smaug, the way Two Towers was all about Saruman. Movie 3 will be Battle of 5 Armies.

I just read the book and there's not a lot of events between Frying Pan and Smaug. You've got Beorn, spiders, elves, Laketown, that's it!
Plus all the stuff that happens to Gandalf when he's not present in the book.

After I've seen Hobbit 1, I think splitting it up into three movies was a good idea.
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Old January 13 2013, 04:56 PM   #459
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The "my brain didn't process it" bit was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

What I really meant is that I honestly did not see the difference.

And yes, splitting it into 3 films was a splendid idea! Majestic, if you ask Thorin.
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Old January 13 2013, 06:07 PM   #460
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Some of the bits where they were escaping from the orcs underground (the ladder, sweeping the big pole from side to side, etc) felt like they were just in there to look cool, and it didn't have the same "part of the action" feel that the escape down the stairs in Moria had in FotR.
I completely agree. The bridge/ladder stuff felt like a Mario video game, while the action scene with collapsing staircase in Moria was fantastic, one of the best scenes to experience in a theater.

What's more, it works subtly to develop character as well as being an action scene.

- It gives Legolas a true "Robin Hood" moment, complete with the camera following an arrow (in the dark) to it's target, so we know without a doubt how good he is!

-It gives a bit of the rivalry between Legolas and Gimli (that Legolas has to pull the beard to save him) that will pay of in subsequent films... not to mention the "No one tosses a dwarf" bit which, apart from being funny on it's own, also pays off in the next film.

-My favorite bit of character here is the fact that Boromir grabs the hobbits Merry and Pippen and bravely jumps the gap. He had been building chemistry with these two along the journey to this point, training them at the campfire, but this moment really is a fantastic little hint of the sacrifice he will make to save them at the end of the film... a sacrifice which will pay off all the way in the third film when Pippen offers to serve Denethor in payment of Boromir's sacrifice.

-Plus, Frodo and Aragorn are the last to cross, and they are alone for a moment, in a way, just as they would be for a moment when the Fellowship breaks. They both have tremendous, albeit, separate responsibilities which will weigh on them heavily throughout the other films and they are both very much always separated metaphorically from their friends.

Now, of course the "Moria collapsing stairs" bit wasn't in the book,, but, as I've demonstrated, it's a fine example of screenwriting, of making something for the screen that's exciting at the moment but also serves character.

The underground bridges scene in the Hobbit was not nearly as impressive.
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Old January 13 2013, 07:41 PM   #461
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This, of course, being a strictly YMMV affair...
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Old January 13 2013, 08:01 PM   #462
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:
The bridge/ladder stuff felt like a Mario video game
Well, if you rearrange the letters in Moria, you do get Mario...
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Old January 13 2013, 08:18 PM   #463
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Some of the bits where they were escaping from the orcs underground (the ladder, sweeping the big pole from side to side, etc) felt like they were just in there to look cool, and it didn't have the same "part of the action" feel that the escape down the stairs in Moria had in FotR.
I completely agree. The bridge/ladder stuff felt like a Mario video game, while the action scene with collapsing staircase in Moria was fantastic, one of the best scenes to experience in a theater.

What's more, it works subtly to develop character as well as being an action scene.

- It gives Legolas a true "Robin Hood" moment, complete with the camera following an arrow (in the dark) to it's target, so we know without a doubt how good he is!

-It gives a bit of the rivalry between Legolas and Gimli (that Legolas has to pull the beard to save him) that will pay of in subsequent films... not to mention the "No one tosses a dwarf" bit which, apart from being funny on it's own, also pays off in the next film.

-My favorite bit of character here is the fact that Boromir grabs the hobbits Merry and Pippen and bravely jumps the gap. He had been building chemistry with these two along the journey to this point, training them at the campfire, but this moment really is a fantastic little hint of the sacrifice he will make to save them at the end of the film... a sacrifice which will pay off all the way in the third film when Pippen offers to serve Denethor in payment of Boromir's sacrifice.

-Plus, Frodo and Aragorn are the last to cross, and they are alone for a moment, in a way, just as they would be for a moment when the Fellowship breaks. They both have tremendous, albeit, separate responsibilities which will weigh on them heavily throughout the other films and they are both very much always separated metaphorically from their friends.

Now, of course the "Moria collapsing stairs" bit wasn't in the book,, but, as I've demonstrated, it's a fine example of screenwriting, of making something for the screen that's exciting at the moment but also serves character.

The underground bridges scene in the Hobbit was not nearly as impressive.
See, I'm the opposite, I feel that the Moria stair sequence, while it had some great parts, really lost me with the tilting stairs in a way that The Hobbit didn't. I just couldn't bend my suspension of disbelief enough that I could feel that Aragorn and Frodo could tip the stair.
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Old January 13 2013, 08:19 PM   #464
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:
The bridge/ladder stuff felt like a Mario video game
Well, if you rearrange the letters in Moria, you do get Mario...
So what you're saying is that Goblintown is Woria?
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Old January 13 2013, 08:30 PM   #465
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I actually thought the scene in The Hobbit was more plausible, too - so I agree with Manticore.

But that doesn't mean I dislike the Moria scene. I don't.
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