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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
D- 3 1.55%
F 1 0.52%
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Old December 21 2012, 04:39 AM   #271
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Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Grading & Discussion (Spoilers

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2. The ending could have been much tighter. There was no need for worthless face-off between Thorin and Azog, other than to show Bilbo's worth in Thorin's eyes but I feel like there was no need for that yet. After the long action sequence underneath the Misty Mountains, the added drawn out action in the trees quickly becomes tiresome. It would have been far better for them to be chased up the trees, the fire gets started, everything looks dire, and then suddenly the eagles save the day. End the film with the same final closing scene (Bilbo can prove his worth in smaller way, I guess while up in the trees like knocking down a warg that would have otherwise gotten Thorin or another dwarf).
I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, the scene you're talking about is the one that shows how much Bilbo has learned during the first part of his adventure. It ties up the themes of this movie and gives the viewer a sense of closure which was badly needed in order to turn this into a proper movie rather than the first segment of a three-part serial.

If I have to wait a full year for the second installment, I need to feel like I've had a satisfyingly complete experience, even though the whole story has not been told. The "oh yeah irrelevant stuff happens oh my god it's been three hours already let's end this" approach simply wouldn't have worked.
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Old December 21 2012, 04:50 AM   #272
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The look and demeanor of Bilbo in this reminded me of James Wilson (Robert Sean Leonard) in "House."
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Old December 21 2012, 04:51 AM   #273
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I found Bilbo to be a much more interesting character than either Frodo or Sam in the LotR films.
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Old December 21 2012, 04:57 AM   #274
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I found Bilbo to be a much more interesting character than either Frodo or Sam in the LotR films.
Ditto. A homebody safe and comfortable in his house, concerned about its looks and doilies, afraid to go out into the world and into adventure. Suddenly thrust to change his entire way of life and thinking. Good story.
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Old December 21 2012, 04:58 AM   #275
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I found Bilbo to be a much more interesting character than either Frodo or Sam in the LotR films.
I think it's fair to say that Bilbo is one of the best, most distinctive characters created by Tolkien.
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Old December 21 2012, 05:45 AM   #276
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2. The ending could have been much tighter. There was no need for worthless face-off between Thorin and Azog, other than to show Bilbo's worth in Thorin's eyes but I feel like there was no need for that yet. After the long action sequence underneath the Misty Mountains, the added drawn out action in the trees quickly becomes tiresome. It would have been far better for them to be chased up the trees, the fire gets started, everything looks dire, and then suddenly the eagles save the day. End the film with the same final closing scene (Bilbo can prove his worth in smaller way, I guess while up in the trees like knocking down a warg that would have otherwise gotten Thorin or another dwarf).
I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, the scene you're talking about is the one that shows how much Bilbo has learned during the first part of his adventure. It ties up the themes of this movie and gives the viewer a sense of closure which was badly needed in order to turn this into a proper movie rather than the first segment of a three-part serial.

If I have to wait a full year for the second installment, I need to feel like I've had a satisfyingly complete experience, even though the whole story has not been told. The "oh yeah irrelevant stuff happens oh my god it's been three hours already let's end this" approach simply wouldn't have worked.
I understand and agree with the thematic angle but I feel like it was very poorly executed. Like I said, the scene came on the heels of a long action sequence and barely had any time to recover. I know it's "Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire" but I strongly feel that the sequence needed to be much shorter. Again, as I said, Bilbo could have still fulfilled the thematic need in a smaller way instead of the drawn out scenario that we got.

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The look and demeanor of Bilbo in this reminded me of James Wilson (Rover Sean Leonard) in "House."
Funny, because the look and demeanor of Bilbo in this reminded me of John Watson.

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I found Bilbo to be a much more interesting character than either Frodo or Sam in the LotR films.
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I found Bilbo to be a much more interesting character than either Frodo or Sam in the LotR films.
I think it's fair to say that Bilbo is one of the best, most distinctive characters created by Tolkien.
I have to completely agree on these two points, and while Tolkien deserves a lot of credit on this, Martin Freeman makes Bilbo all the greater.
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Old December 21 2012, 05:50 AM   #277
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I also found Bilbo's speech about helping the dwarfs find a home to be particularly moving because he doesn't have to do it. Frodo and Sam pretty much had to do their journey because they were saving the world. Bilbo doesn't but heads into danger anyway. Much more inspiring, I think.
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Old December 21 2012, 06:00 AM   #278
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I also found Bilbo's speech about helping the dwarfs find a home to be particularly moving because he doesn't have to do it. Frodo and Sam pretty much had to do their journey because they were saving the world. Bilbo doesn't but heads into danger anyway. Much more inspiring, I think.
Very good point. I quite liked that moment, too. Sandwiched between big action set-pieces, the film (and Bilbo) definitely needed to find (and explicitly express) a heart. As important as Bilbo's "heroic act" to save Thorin is, in terms of his character's growth, I think this scene was more significant.
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Old December 21 2012, 06:13 AM   #279
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Yeah, I agree. It thematically summed up the journey very well. Technically speaking, Bilbo's heroics are during the Spiders, but it logically makes sense to be at the end of the first movie.
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I understand and agree with the thematic angle but I feel like it was very poorly executed. Like I said, the scene came on the heels of a long action sequence and barely had any time to recover. I know it's "Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire" but I strongly feel that the sequence needed to be much shorter. Again, as I said, Bilbo could have still fulfilled the thematic need in a smaller way instead of the drawn out scenario that we got.
To be honest, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't think that the little coda on the cliff at the end of the movie is longer than three minutes. What could have been cut to make it shorter?

I have to completely agree on these two points, and while Tolkien deserves a lot of credit on this, Martin Freeman makes Bilbo all the greater.
And Peter Jackson as well. Casting Martin Freeman was a stroke of genius. Because although he has a lot of charisma and screen presence, perfect comic timing and is a very skilled physical actor, he doesn't have a lot or range so he mostly shines when he's a perfect match for the role.
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Old December 21 2012, 06:39 AM   #281
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Yeah, I agree. It thematically summed up the journey very well. Technically speaking, Bilbo's heroics are during the Spiders, but it logically makes sense to be at the end of the first movie.
Yeah ... that was one of those moments where having read the book made the cinematic moment feel awkward. It certainly fits within the context of the film, but narratively (in terms of the book), the act feels rushed. And I wonder just how much of that is my own preconception (probably quite a bit).
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Bilbo's motivation being helping the dwarves find their home is indeed a nice counterpoint to Frodo's "save the world" task [Sam's being "save Frodo" lol]... it's a very "hobbity" reason, one that even the less Tookish among them might understand. I see echoes of WWI and WWII in there as well... not everyone was there to stop global evil, but many just to help out folks who'd lost their homes and needed someone to pick them up.
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Old December 21 2012, 11:50 AM   #283
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I'd say they definitely not just could have, but should have cut the Old Bilbo/Frodo sequence.
Hell no! It might not have been necessary, but come on, you can't put a price on nostalgia.
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Old December 21 2012, 01:44 PM   #284
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I'm re-reading the Hobbit and there's actually a line about hobbits being a lot tougher to injury than they appear, and dwarves as well. I forget the exact line but it was in the Goblin Town / Riddles Dark sequence.
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I have to completely agree on these two points, and while Tolkien deserves a lot of credit on this, Martin Freeman makes Bilbo all the greater.
And Peter Jackson as well. Casting Martin Freeman was a stroke of genius. Because although he has a lot of charisma and screen presence, perfect comic timing and is a very skilled physical actor, he doesn't have a lot or range so he mostly shines when he's a perfect match for the role.
Still not seen yet and in no rush, but when heard Jackson had cast Freeman, also thought that was genius. Plus he's a huge Motown fan, so can do no wrong
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