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Old June 25 2013, 10:22 AM   #1081
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So wait, they actually created a CG version of the 4-footer as well? Because that would be pretty impressive.

Or was this just an improved version of the 6-footer we saw before?
No, they've taken Tobias' original model and made some very cool modifications. We'll have a feature on this in the coming weeks.
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Old June 25 2013, 11:12 AM   #1082
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So wait, they actually created a CG version of the 4-footer as well? Because that would be pretty impressive.

Or was this just an improved version of the 6-footer we saw before?
No, they've taken Tobias' original model and made some very cool modifications. We'll have a feature on this in the coming weeks.
So, if I'm interpreting you correctly here, you're saying...



That would certainly explain a few things, like the window pattern being different than the 4-foot miniature.
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Old June 25 2013, 11:39 AM   #1083
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That would certainly explain a few things, like the window pattern being different than the 4-foot miniature.
It may be CG, but it's not the modified model I'm referring to.
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Old June 25 2013, 12:07 PM   #1084
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TrekCore (FrontierTrek?) mentioned in the Redemption trailer comments section that:
In some cases, if mistakes are discovered after release, CBS will correct them so iTunes and broadcast versions are correct. This happened in a couple of cases for Season 3. Regarding going back and re-inserting footage, it would be doubtful but not impossible.
Are there any specific examples of this? Which mistakes in S3 have been corrected, and will these corrections appear in future disc releases as well?
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Old June 25 2013, 12:12 PM   #1085
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Are there any specific examples of this? Which mistakes in S3 have been corrected, and will these corrections appear in future disc releases as well?
They are very minor issues and small in number (1 or 2), unnoticed by 99.9% of viewers. But CBSD are perfectionists and wanted to correct for future distribution.
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Old June 25 2013, 01:22 PM   #1086
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There's a variation of this flyby in which the Enterprise drops out of warp that was used from Season 4 onwards. On the sampler blu ray version of the Inner Light a CG substitute was used. Is this one of the shots that couldn't be found?
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Old June 25 2013, 01:39 PM   #1087
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There's a variation of this flyby in which the Enterprise drops out of warp that was used from Season 4 onwards. On the sampler blu ray version of the Inner Light a CG substitute was used. Is this one of the shots that couldn't be found?
That's correct. Don't forget, if just one pass can't be found, the shot is rendered unusable and has to be recreated.
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Old June 25 2013, 02:12 PM   #1088
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There's a variation of this flyby in which the Enterprise drops out of warp that was used from Season 4 onwards. On the sampler blu ray version of the Inner Light a CG substitute was used. Is this one of the shots that couldn't be found?
That's correct. Don't forget, if just one pass can't be found, the shot is rendered unusable and has to be recreated.
Excellent, I know it came under some fire when the sampler was released but I quite liked that replacement shot (I assume CBS-D have upgraded it since?) and they've modified Tobias' model to appear more like the 4 foot model? I cannot wait to see your feature on this

Considering all the passes that are required to assemble even a single shot its amazing on how few occasions CGI has been needed as a substitute.
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Old June 25 2013, 03:07 PM   #1089
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Excellent, I know it came under some fire when the sampler was released but I quite liked that replacement shot (I assume CBS-D have upgraded it since?) and they've modified Tobias' model to appear more like the 4 foot model? I cannot wait to see your feature on this

Considering all the passes that are required to assemble even a single shot its amazing on how few occasions CGI has been needed as a substitute.
Yes, it makes sense they are having more issues as time progresses due to the increase in complexity of the shots used. The new model is stunning, it had me totally fooled!
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Old June 25 2013, 06:19 PM   #1090
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Watched Sarek for the first time in awhile, and it's a very solid episode. I remember as a teen being somewhat bored with the lack of action, but now I find the tremendous acting from Stewart and Leonard is MORE than enough to carry the story.

Although I have to say, in HD you really notice just how painted on Sarek's makeup is, and it can be awfully distracting at times. In fact you notice that kind of thing with a lot of the makeup now, especially with the aliens (I shudder to think how painted up Quark will look in HD when we get to that point).
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Old June 25 2013, 07:02 PM   #1091
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Don't forget, if just one pass can't be found, the shot is rendered unusable and has to be recreated.
Pardon my ignorance, but if all but one of the passes for a particular model shot cannot be located, couldn't they just recreate the missing pass with CGI?

If it's just the warp engine or deflector pass, that doesn't seem like a big deal. HTV left off certain passes or misaligned them from time to time, and it wasn't a dealbreaker.
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Old June 25 2013, 07:26 PM   #1092
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Pardon my ignorance, but if all but one of the passes for a particular model shot cannot be located, couldn't they just recreate the missing pass with CGI?
I asked the same question, apparently not - it is just too difficult to isolate a single missing pass and render it in CG. It's all or nothing
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Old June 25 2013, 09:58 PM   #1093
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Don't forget, if just one pass can't be found, the shot is rendered unusable and has to be recreated.
Pardon my ignorance, but if all but one of the passes for a particular model shot cannot be located, couldn't they just recreate the missing pass with CGI?

If it's just the warp engine or deflector pass, that doesn't seem like a big deal. HTV left off certain passes or misaligned them from time to time, and it wasn't a dealbreaker.
One thing to bear in mind is that you're not just talking about painting the nacelle grills blue for each frame (which would be hard enough to do right on a moving object). Those lights interact with the surface of the model in many subtle ways, and trying to recreate that pass in one frame would be hard, never mind getting dozens of frames to look identical.

I'm not a CG artist, but I think it'd be much easier to just start from scratch.
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Old June 26 2013, 12:15 PM   #1094
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"The Survivors", SD to HD. Watch in 1080!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxYpE6iG4MY
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Old June 26 2013, 06:33 PM   #1095
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"The Survivors", SD to HD. Watch in 1080!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxYpE6iG4MY
The viewscreen shot of the Uxbridge home - in the original, it was just a fuzzy green square. In the remaster, you can clearly see the house and the cement border.

Is the house element new? If so, that's some incredible attention to detail.
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