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Old May 14 2013, 06:11 PM   #946
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With a culture so focused on combat, it raised some interesting questions about the infrastructure of their society. Is every career viewed as "combat"?

Certainly the Klingon lawyer viewed the trial against Worf in DS9 as a battle. I wonder if the Klingon chef viewed his cooking as a glorious battle. Too much salt? No honor for him tonight. No songs will be sung of the chef who overseasoned his food.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:30 PM   #947
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Yesterday's Enterprise looks incredible.

Also, still a great story.
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Old May 15 2013, 05:03 AM   #948
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With a culture so focused on combat, it raised some interesting questions about the infrastructure of their society. Is every career viewed as "combat"?

Certainly the Klingon lawyer viewed the trial against Worf in DS9 as a battle. I wonder if the Klingon chef viewed his cooking as a glorious battle. Too much salt? No honor for him tonight. No songs will be sung of the chef who overseasoned his food.
LOL this post is awesome. So true. How do those with less than glorious positions get into Sto-vo-kor?
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Old May 15 2013, 07:46 AM   #949
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It's been a while since I've seen Season 3, and tonight skipped two episodes (The Price and Vengeance Factor) so I can see two of my favorite episodes tonight for the first time in a long time back to back, The Enemy and The Defector. Man these two episodes kick all kinds of ass. Hell, it's because of these episodes where I got my username for this site.

I think I could watch Picard and Tomalak mince words all day and it would be entertaining. I just loved Stewart and Katsulas here, in a political showdown to prevent war. I love the fact that we got it not once, but twice, and they were 3 episodes apart.

One of my favorite episodes of the series and probably the best episode of the season was The Defector, but I noticed something I hadn't before. There are a lot of similarities between this episode and DS9's Duet. You had the enemy going with a different identity, making a decision to bring out the crimes of his race and make peace in the galaxy, and the whole confusion as to whether or not to believe the guy or not. It also ended with the Romulan (Or Cardassian) dying.

On a side note, I always smile at the scene where we get Picard's "If the cause is just and honorable..." the glorious score, and then the Klingons show up. The look on Tomalak's face is absolutely priceless.

As for the remastering, I love that we can finally see what's going on on the planet in The Enemy now. As for The Defector, I was really loving the stuff between the warbird and the scout ship at the beginning. CBS-D managed to make the Warbird even more menacing than it was and the remastering is absolutely staggering. I also notice this episode was written by Ron Moore. It's a shame time ran out for him to do a commentary track on it because this is an episode that deserves one.
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Old May 15 2013, 04:26 PM   #950
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I agree, the remaster work on The Enemy was really well done. I agree you could finally really see what was going on on the planet. I also really like the Defector. The shots of the scout being chased by the warbird are even better now. I also really liked seeing all the detail on the scout ship and on the Enterprise particularly the shot of the scout drifting over the Enterprise.


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Old May 15 2013, 08:10 PM   #951
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The reveal of the Klingon back-up at the end of The Defector was a fun twist at the end, but it hardly makes any sense.

So Picard can call someone up and ask for Birds-of-Prey whenever he wants, and they will covertly travel with him for days to the Romulan Neutral Zone? This was well before Picard carried any weight with the Klingons after overseeing Gowron's installation. At the end, Picard asks Worf to send the Klingons his compliments. Nice to know the Klingons are so generous.

Then when the trap is sprung, what kept the Klingons from taking matters into their own hands and attacking the Romulans? After all, Klingons have an innate hatred of Romulans. The Klingons were downgraded literally into tools.
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Old May 16 2013, 12:39 AM   #952
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The reveal of the Klingon back-up at the end of The Defector was a fun twist at the end, but it hardly makes any sense.

So Picard can call someone up and ask for Birds-of-Prey whenever he wants, and they will covertly travel with him for days to the Romulan Neutral Zone? This was well before Picard carried any weight with the Klingons after overseeing Gowron's installation. At the end, Picard asks Worf to send the Klingons his compliments. Nice to know the Klingons are so generous.

Then when the trap is sprung, what kept the Klingons from taking matters into their own hands and attacking the Romulans? After all, Klingons have an innate hatred of Romulans. The Klingons were downgraded literally into tools.
It's one of those scenes where I don't care if it makes sense or not, it's just too cool not to enjoy. TNG is allowed some of those type of scenes every now and then.
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Old May 16 2013, 04:50 PM   #953
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Well even if they weren't best buds, the Federation and Klingons had been at peace for awhile by that point (they even had an officer exchange program, for god's sake), so I can see them coming to the other's aid when needed.

Plus I imagine the Klingons didn't need much convincing anyway to fly into the Neutral Zone and join in a possible war against the Romulans. They live for that stuff.


I have to say though, as good as the Defector is, it now seems painfully obvious from the outset that he was just being set up. Once you see how the Warbird was hanging back from the scout ship, you have a hard time buying pretty much anything the guy says.
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Old May 18 2013, 04:01 AM   #954
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Ok, this caught my eye while watching "Sarek" just now. Check out the woman's uniform behind Data. It's like some odd hybrid of the older and newer uniforms. It's got the collar of the newer ones, but also has the red stripe on the shoulders like the older ones. Hmm...


(Sorry for the crappy quality, can't take Blu-ray screencaps)
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Old May 18 2013, 09:23 AM   #955
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Well even if they weren't best buds, the Federation and Klingons had been at peace for awhile by that point (they even had an officer exchange program, for god's sake), so I can see them coming to the other's aid when needed.

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I always understood during TNG that the Federation and Klingons were Allies, as also stated by Gowron/Sisko BEFORE the war with the Kardies (Season 4 DS9).
So it makes sense that the Klingons would help.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:50 AM   #956
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The Federation and Klingon Empire were established as allies in "Heart of Glory".
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Old May 18 2013, 10:50 AM   #957
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It's like some odd hybrid of the older and newer uniforms. It's got the collar of the newer ones, but also has the red stripe on the shoulders like the older ones.
Over the years they seemed to scavenge whatever they could from older uniforms. There's also another variant, one with the newer collar style but with the zip still running down the front instead of the back. I can't remember how often it shows up, but one definite example of it is Sam Lavelle's uniform.
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Old May 18 2013, 11:04 AM   #958
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Watched the 'Writers Room' extra last night, absolutely loved it. Despite the turmoil at the time, and the pressure that they seemed to be under they all seemed to have genuine affection for the series, and each other. TBH, I probably enjoyed this doc even more than the cast reunion last season.

Must admit, I'm loving the VAM on these sets. As if the vastly improved PQ and AQ wasn't reason enough to buy, these extras are superb.

Production design folks next isn't it? Can't wait to see what will be coming on the Seasons 5-7 sets.
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Old May 18 2013, 01:44 PM   #959
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There's also another variant, one with the newer collar style but with the zip still running down the front instead of the back. I can't remember how often it shows up, but one definite example of it is Sam Lavelle's uniform.
That's the "junior officer" look, which basically everybody outside the senior staff (and O'Brien) wears post-Season 4.



Here's that hybrid. It's a weird one.


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Old May 18 2013, 05:08 PM   #960
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Chances are that uniform is a test version made by the costume department while coming up with the new uniforms, and it got reused for extra because hey, who's ever going to be able to see it in any detail? You'd need some kind of super high-definition TV and VHS tape to see that.
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