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Old January 6 2013, 07:08 PM   #151
Location: Great Britain
Re: How many reset buttons?

Some of it is also down to personal taste.

Some shows are episodic by nature
Some shows are more serilaised by nature
and then we have the shows which do the opposite of what their overall premise seemed to indicate their show would be episodic or serialised. VOY premise seemed to indicate a more serialised format yet they leaned more towards the episodic format.

If VOY had been set in the AQ, many of the complaints levelled at the show would cease to exist.
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Old January 7 2013, 03:12 AM   #152
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Re: How many reset buttons?

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But VOY as a whole was about the Journey of the USS VOyager tring to get from the DQ back to Earth. So when you view it as a series of 7 seasons and some 174 episodes, these seemingly minor details matter. The premise of the show called out for a more serialised format, they ended up doing a more episodic show. Sure there where the odd nods to arc based telling.

But if we take the concept of Chekhov's Gun. If you show a gun on the wall with 6 bullets in Act I, you would expect that gun to be used later but only have 6 shots fired.

No Voyager didn't do a visual of the gun they made a statement, it is not the viewers fault, for calling them on the fact they ignored they something previously established.

They could have said "We Only have 39 torpedeos" they choose to add the bit about having no way to replace them. They wanted to call attention to that deatail, they couldn't decide on how many crew members the ship had it fluctuated up and down throughout the show.
Did we ever notice or care about:

Trills can't use transporters
Dax is beaming up and down everywhere

Riker acts like he's never seen a holodeck before or how it works
Janeway and Harry mention how they grew up on Flotter holodeck stories.

Picard calls the Mentalkins believe in a higher power a false superstition but yet honors the Klingons & Bajorians religious beliefs.

Data fights for his rights in order not to be dismantled because: "If I am destroyed the universe will loose something unique that can never be replaced." and is willingly to resign his commission in order to live.
Data blows himself up willingly in Nemesis.

Trek has been forgetting things written and said within it for decades and we've skimmed over it. They've never really shown and storage of much on Voyager, so I can see why they and much of the audience could forget the line about torpedeos.

The first 2 are contradictions between 2 different shows which is quite a bit different then contradictions in the same series. The 3rd is hypocrisy on Picard's part and not really a contradiction. The 4th is 2 entirely different situations.
Who wrote it all?
Who over saw the whole production?
Half the writers on DS9 came over from TNG
It's not hypocrisy on Picard's part cause he isn't real and all he says is written, so it is a contradiction by the writers on the series.
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With regards to Data the first was not by choice the second was by choice.
Data has no choice.
His choice is up to whomever puts pen to paper.
They change the characters personality profiles to fit the situation. Data originally wanted to live at any cost, it's Worf that finds sacrifice in battle the right way to go.

And yes Trek has been forgetting about things for years. And all shows have their pros and cons, continuity gaffs etc...
Agreed, thank you.
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