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Old June 29 2013, 07:44 PM   #46
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

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Urban Fantasy means a supernatural series set in a modern 20-21st century setting after the advent of technology dealing with what it would be like to have magic and monsters exist in the here-and-now of our world.

NDS takes place in a 17th century setting of an alien world decimated as it reached it's early Victorian age, that does not qualify.

It has to involve modern technological cities and settings for that.
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Old July 1 2013, 05:59 AM   #47
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^ Actually, here's the Wikipedia definition of Urban Fantasy:
Urban fantasy is a sub-genre of fantasy defined by place; the fantastic narrative has an urban setting. Many urban fantasies are set in contemporary times and contain supernatural elements. However, the stories can take place in historical, modern, or futuristic periods, as well as fictional settings. The prerequisite is that they must be primarily set in a city.

Urban fantasy describes a work that is set primarily in a city and contains aspects of fantasy. These matters may involve the arrivals of alien races, the discovery of earthbound mythological creatures, coexistence between humans and paranormal beings, conflicts between humans and malicious paranormals, and subsequent changes in city management.

Though stories may be set in contemporary times, this characteristic is not necessary for the fiction to be considered urban fantasy, as works of the genre may also take place in futuristic and historical settings, real or imagined. Author Marie Brennan has set urban fantasy in Elizabethan London, while author Charles de Lint has featured the genre in the fictional city of Newford.
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Old July 1 2013, 02:36 PM   #48
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Weirdly enough, Bob and I were having this very discussion today and decided that the Wiki article leaves an awful lot to be desired.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:01 PM   #49
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Then only 3 of the 11 current Saga books take place in a city, 'A Wind in the Night' next year will take place largely in the Sky Cutter Range and the northern deserts of the Suman Empire.

Bela is hardly a city, more like a walled town with concentric rings of increasing slums around it, so that leaves almost all of series 1 out.

'In Shade and Shadow' and 'Between Their Worlds' are the only two in the franchise that are urban mystery/murder, with only the first of those really fitting the bill, as the second is entirely on the Guild grounds more than half the book.

Calm a'Seatt is the only real Human city left in their world at all, and as the name shows, it was mostly Dwarven land originally, still boasting a sizable population of them.

2 out of 12 (with only 15 novels in the saga total, last three likely to be in the Empire) doesn't really cut it.
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Old July 1 2013, 08:06 PM   #50
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^ I would consider more than just 2 of the books in the Saga to meet the Wikipedia criteria for Urban Fantasy. Dhampir, Sister of the Dead, and Traitor to the Blood all take place in or near locations that I would consider to fit the 'city' criterion within the context of the series' medieval/fantasy setting.

YMMV, though.
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Old July 1 2013, 08:08 PM   #51
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Miiska is a small fishing village, Darmouths fiefdom is a series of streets around a lake housing his Keep and Chemestuk is a bunch of mud huts. So again, still medieval.
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Old July 1 2013, 09:37 PM   #52
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Does anyone else picture Katee Sackhoff as Murphy when reading the Dresden Files? I've seen her since the first book, and at this point she pretty much is the character for me, whether she's ever played her on screen or not.
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Old July 2 2013, 02:38 PM   #53
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Not really, Murphy is quite a bit shorter and slimmer, the voice and face descriptions way off.

I don't know who I'd pick to play her if it were adapted to TV properly.
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Doris Day.

No seriously someone like Dakota Fanning is about the right age and the right height. Incidentally I don't think it's possible to get slimmer than Katee Sackhoff so I don't know why you wrote that.
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Old July 2 2013, 07:34 PM   #55
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Re: Urban Fantasy: Vampire and Witches and Weres, oh my!

Maybe she just looks heavier in Battlestar, then again it's been well over a year since I watched anything shes in.
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Old July 3 2013, 10:31 PM   #56
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I finished up City of Bones earlier today, and I posted my thoughts over in the TrekLit forum. With that done I started Magic Burns, the second Kate Daniels book.
I forgot just how much loved Kate in the other book.
Which brings me to something I've been wondering about. What is it about Urban Fantasy that it seems to attract female writers, and encourages them create such great women protagonists? Bo from Lost Girl, Kate, and Rachel Morgan are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.
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Old July 4 2013, 07:11 PM   #57
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I haven't read any female urban fantasy authors until the book I'm reading just now (Stray Souls by Kate Griffin) because I just know they'll be sappy. I only chose this one because it got such a high rating from critics who could only be men.
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And does it suck as you expected?
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No it's funny. She wrote several books previously about the Midnight Mayor who's very powerful so needed to have hugely powerful adversaries so it all got a bit samey (I picked this up from the reviews). Then she invented this self-help group of losers who have to save London. It's not as weird as China Meiville. Sort of like Discworld characters transferred to London and made more gormless.

Or Misfits would be a good analogy. The heroine talks like Vicky Pollard although she has infinitely more core intelligence. She whines a lot about discovering she's a powerful shaman when nobody asked her if she wanted to be.
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I wouldn't describe the Kate Daniels or The Hollows books as sappy.
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