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Old November 29 2012, 11:07 PM   #76
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Re: Two and a Half Men star calls show 'filth', wants us to stop watch

Because it's easier to take a hit at him rather than look at everyday hypocrites. We all are, to some degree. How many animal rights activists wear leather shoes?
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Old November 30 2012, 12:43 AM   #77
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Just because everyone is a hypocrite in some way doesn't mean we shouldn't hypocritically point to hypocrites and point out their hypocrisy in a pointed way.
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Old November 30 2012, 12:53 AM   #78
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Re: Two and a Half Men star calls show 'filth', wants us to stop watch

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Yes, he's technically being a dumbass but my point is that it's pretty typical for a 19 year old to be a dumbass about a lot of things, including gratitude. The only real difference between this 19 year old dumbass is that he's famous and he made his comments because of his flirtation with Jesus and not, for example, a sociology course or frat initiation.
Well, yeah, but whether 19 or 99, he's being a hypocrite ...
Oh, please, there isn't a single person here who would turn down their paycheck simply because they don't like how their employer does business. And there isn't a single person here who doesn't badmouth their employer sometimes.

As for celebrities:

Every celebrity who works for a multinational corporation while expressing support for the Occupy movement was at least as much of a hypocrite. Every one of them who rails about how the rich should pay more taxes while squirreling away their own money is at least as much of hypocrite. Every one of them with armed body guards whining about gun control is at least as much of a hypocrite.

Why is everyone so upset at this kid and not them?
No, sir. See, this is how it works: If you publicly denounce your employer based on your personal ethics, and state that your employer creates filth, and that it goes against your beliefs, that it is damaging to people you care about, then you stop working for them and collecting a paycheck. Otherwise, it makes you a hypocrite.

Your examples, though, are not of hypocrisy, since they are not black and white stances. "Gun control" does not mean "no guns". "The rich should pay more taxes" does not mean "I pay no taxes". For all you know, those very same celebrities pay more in taxes. Your points, therefore, are invalid, and the foolish young man in this scenario continues to be a hypocrite.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:02 AM   #79
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No, sir. See, this is how it works: If you publicly denounce your employer based on your personal ethics, and state that your employer creates filth, and that it goes against your beliefs, that it is damaging to people you care about, then you stop working for them and collecting a paycheck. Otherwise, it makes you a hypocrite.
A hypocrite and a wimp since it seems he's not ready to put his money where his mouth is.

I'm thinking there's a new F word on the set these days and he's never going to hear the end of this.

Angus: Hey can I get a cup of coffee?

Floor guy: Don't you mean a cup of filthy coffee?
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Old November 30 2012, 01:04 AM   #80
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No, sir. See, this is how it works: If you publicly denounce your employer based on your personal ethics, and state that your employer creates filth, and that it goes against your beliefs, that it is damaging to people you care about, then you stop working for them and collecting a paycheck. Otherwise, it makes you a hypocrite.
A hypocrite and a wimp since it seems he's not ready to put his money where his mouth is.

I'm thinking there's a new F word on the set these days and he's never going to hear the end of this.

Angus: Hey can I get a cup of coffee?

Floor guy: Don't you mean a cup of filthy coffee?
Yep. "Sorry I've insulted all of you and labeled you as filth in an interview seen by millions, but just know that it doesn't change the fact I'm making a lot more money than you, and won't give it up for even a base set of principles."
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Old November 30 2012, 01:19 AM   #81
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Maybe he's just a kid trying to find his way in the world. It's not like he's snorting coke off hookers' bellies on the set.

The "tolerance" here is underwhelming.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:20 AM   #82
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Maybe he's just a kid trying to find his way in the world. It's not like he's snorting coke off hookers' bellies on the set.

The "tolerance" here is underwhelming.
I don't tolerate stupidity, particularly publicized stupidity. It would behoove you to realize that "tolerance" doesn't mean "accept everything uncritically, and without question". If he wants to find his way in this world, then perhaps he should do so without dragging down his employer and co-workers with him. There's a good first lesson.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:21 AM   #83
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Any sitcom with a laugh track is bad.
Laugh tracks are much funnier in dramas.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:33 AM   #84
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Maybe he's just a kid trying to find his way in the world. It's not like he's snorting coke off hookers' bellies on the set.

The "tolerance" here is underwhelming.
I don't tolerate stupidity, particularly publicized stupidity. It would behoove you to realize that "tolerance" doesn't mean "accept everything uncritically, and without question". If he wants to find his way in this world, then perhaps he should do so without dragging down his employer and co-workers with him. There's a good first lesson.
I lay a lot of blame on the morons who made the video. Even if this kid is just naive and full of cocky dumbness they should have realized that what he was saying had legal ramifications for him. Did they warn him about that I wonder.. or were they too excited to have a famous christian soldier (that terminology is in the video) giving filth the finger.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:38 AM   #85
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Just because everyone is a hypocrite in some way doesn't mean we shouldn't hypocritically point to hypocrites and point out their hypocrisy in a pointed way.
Reminds me of the old poem: "Pointy birds, o pointy pointy, anoint my head, anointy-nointy"
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Old November 30 2012, 01:39 AM   #86
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Maybe he's just a kid trying to find his way in the world. It's not like he's snorting coke off hookers' bellies on the set.

The "tolerance" here is underwhelming.
I don't tolerate stupidity, particularly publicized stupidity. It would behoove you to realize that "tolerance" doesn't mean "accept everything uncritically, and without question". If he wants to find his way in this world, then perhaps he should do so without dragging down his employer and co-workers with him. There's a good first lesson.
I lay a lot of blame on the morons who made the video. Even if this kid is just naive and full of cocky dumbness they should have realized that what he was saying had legal ramifications for him. Did they warn him about that I wonder.. or were they too excited to have a famous christian soldier (that terminology is in the video) giving filth the finger.
I'm going with "Christian Soldier" for all the money, teacake!
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^ One of my favorite hymns is called Onward Christian Soldiers. I've sung it many times.

However that does not seem to apply to this kid. If it did, it would have been called Onward, Spoiled Jackasses.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:45 AM   #88
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^ One of my favorite hymns is called Onward Christian Soldiers. I've sung it many times.

However that does not seem to apply to this kid. If it did, it would have been called Onward, Spoiled Jackasses.
Onward, somewhat Christian soldier,
pocketing the checks!
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This kid isn't any kind of a soldier. Soldiers obey orders and respect the chain of command. They don't turn into fuckin' whiners.
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Old November 30 2012, 01:49 AM   #90
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This kid isn't any kind of a soldier. Soldiers obey orders and respect the chain of command. They don't turn into fuckin' whiners.
Onward Christian Whiner...

Seriously. He's unsettled enough to claim the show is filth, that people shouldn't watch it, that he doesn't want to work there, but instead of talking to Chuck Lorre and standing by his principles, he changes his mind and keeps pocketing his paycheck. In the words of Jonas Nightingale, "You don't want to see them suffer, but you want to keep their money. Gee, Gidge, what's a girl to do?"
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