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Old December 2 2012, 06:28 PM   #46
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The DS9-jump itself wasn't a big issue for me in itself, the issue was that they never bothered to tell the damned story!!
Quite !
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Old December 2 2012, 07:30 PM   #47
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Yes it's a difference between a RBoE type jump and a Full Circle type of jump. Not only did Full Circle do a time jump and do it well, Kirsten actually made it seem like we didn't even miss anything in the years that were rushed over.
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Old December 2 2012, 07:47 PM   #48
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Yes it's a difference between a RBoE type jump and a Full Circle type of jump. Not only did Full Circle do a time jump and do it well, Kirsten actually made it seem like we didn't even miss anything in the years that were rushed over.

I would like to say though, that RBoE is one of my favorite Treknovels of the last few years.
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Old December 3 2012, 02:38 AM   #49
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Yes it's a difference between a RBoE type jump and a Full Circle type of jump. Not only did Full Circle do a time jump and do it well, Kirsten actually made it seem like we didn't even miss anything in the years that were rushed over.

I would like to say though, that RBoE is one of my favorite Treknovels of the last few years.
It's been a while since I read RBoE, but it seems like you either love it or hate it, haha. I enjoyed it very much, though.
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Old December 3 2012, 03:11 PM   #50
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"When's DS9 going to catch up with all the other novels? When's DS9 going to catch up with all the other novels? When's DS9 going to catch up with all the other novels? When's DS9 going to catch up with all the other novels? When's DS9 going to catch up with all the other novels?"

"Why did DS9 have to catch up with all the other novels? Why did DS9 have to catch up with all the other novels? Why did DS9 have to catch up with all the other novels? Why did DS9 have to catch up with all the other novels? Why did DS9 have to catch up with all the other novels?"

As always, not the same people.
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Old December 3 2012, 03:39 PM   #51
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As always, not the same people.
True, but the point is that there's no way to satisfy all fans. So the fact that some fans reacted negatively to a decision doesn't prove it was the wrong decision, since every decision will make some fans unhappy.
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Old December 3 2012, 03:53 PM   #52
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Yes, of course. But as this "joke" is told every time someone brings up the time jump, I feel it should also be pointed out these are not the same people, so as to not imply that all fans are crazy. You can please some of the people some of the time.
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Old December 3 2012, 05:28 PM   #53
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No! I will never be satisfied!
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Old December 3 2012, 05:39 PM   #54
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so as to not imply that all fans are crazy.
And you are basing this on what, exactly ?
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Old December 3 2012, 06:56 PM   #55
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https://catalog.simonandschuster.com...=9781476722177

Repetitive all over again.
This exact storyline: cold war sabotage/catastrophe leading to spy stuff/battle; all in a grim setting/mood with generous portions of angst - was done at least thrice in the latest 24th century books.

Talk about creative bankruptcy in the 24th century trek lit line.
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Old December 3 2012, 08:56 PM   #56
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You know, I was never all that interested in the Ascendants arc in the first place, so it didn't bother me that that arc didn't pan out.
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Old December 3 2012, 09:25 PM   #57
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https://catalog.simonandschuster.com...=9781476722177

Repetitive all over again.
This exact storyline: cold war sabotage/catastrophe leading to spy stuff/battle; all in a grim setting/mood with generous portions of angst
That's an awful lot to extrapolate from a very vague synopsis. You got a lot of things wrong the last time you tried to make definitive declarations about the details of events in novels like Plagues of Night, Raise the Dawn, and Fallen Gods. Perhaps you should consider not jumping to conclusions on the basis of little evidence.

Talk about creative bankruptcy in the 24th century trek lit line.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But why are you still reading them and hanging out here if that's the case? Do you derive enjoyment from writing about how much you don't like the line?
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Old December 4 2012, 11:45 AM   #58
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But as this "joke" is told every time someone brings up the time jump...
Well pardon me for being repetitive, but I don't recall seeing it before.
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Old December 4 2012, 12:18 PM   #59
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Talk about creative bankruptcy in the 24th century trek lit line.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But why are you still reading them and hanging out here if that's the case? Do you derive enjoyment from writing about how much you don't like the line?
I really enjoy the current storylines and directions, but we could be more polite to people who disagree. When i try and enthuse people about the Destiny/Typhon Pact era, some real hard-on Trekkies seem put off by precisely what this person complains about. Indeed the same kind of language pervades, often coupled with that awful 'this is not what Trek means' [present tense!].

As I said in another thread: it is these contrasts of what people think Trek is, which create real disagreements over acceptance of the texts. In truth Trek doesn't have one identity, one point, one theme at all: it is a menagerie, linked by certain names, aesthetics, creators and ideas. But there is no one Trek, just franchise iterations chic (or not chic) in their occurances. However, I understand when people are sad or disagreeable with current general themes and franchise directions.
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Old December 4 2012, 03:12 PM   #60
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Talk about creative bankruptcy in the 24th century trek lit line.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But why are you still reading them and hanging out here if that's the case? Do you derive enjoyment from writing about how much you don't like the line?
I really enjoy the current storylines and directions, but we could be more polite to people who disagree.
1. I was not rude or impolite to Edit_XYZ. I asked an honest question.

2. Understand -- I can honestly not recall Edit indicating enjoyment of any Trek novel in any thread he has participated in. As far back as I can remember his posting here, he's consistently indicated fundamental dissatisfaction with both the overall direction and the particulars of the Treklit line, and has often seemed very angry about it. So I think it's fair to ask why he keeps reading the books, and why he spends so much time in the Treklit Forum, if he just doesn't like Treklit these days.
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