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Old November 6 2014, 05:20 AM   #1
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The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made material

I will start with this video I put together a few years ago. A side by side comparision of two wonderful artists and their own unique vision of the classic episode.

https://vimeo.com/111014212



And of course, the Constellation uniform insignia...
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Old November 6 2014, 04:40 PM   #2
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Wow, I like both of them more than what CBS went with (although I was 80% happy there, too). They both have great ideas and they also do things differently than I would have (had I the mad skills they do). A team-up would have been magical!
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Old November 6 2014, 05:36 PM   #3
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Yes, great work by both. For the most part, it seems like Scott Gammans used a "cleaner" 3rd season shot of the viewscreen. I suppose he chose looks over accuracy there, since the sensor ping sound effect didn't match the visuals.

But that's just nitpicking, which is not done here.
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Old November 6 2014, 08:19 PM   #4
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

Both interesting takes on the material. Both mostly better than CBS's, but both with flaws. To my eye, Darren's sparking damage is overdone, and Scott's suffers from repeated breaks in directional continuity (ship angling screen right to left, then right to left, then left to right) and too much specularity on the ship. But, still, both cool.
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Old November 6 2014, 08:41 PM   #5
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

Dang! Daren Dochterman's was nearly perfect. That's as close to what the Remastering SHOULD have been. Same shots, same views just made have greater resolution and a bit more detail. I loved how he matched the shots of the original show. What I didn't like is that the Constellation was just another copy and paste of the Enterprise model instead of reproducing the AMT model used for the Constellation. Also the Doomsday machine while it was one of the best I've seen it still was too far off for my taste.
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Old November 6 2014, 09:19 PM   #6
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

I prefer Docherman's. Though I wonder why his Constellation bridge module looks intact? The Gammans' version looks overlit and the models looked far too white. Plus, I think that his space is over saturated with objects. Probably more realistic, but it just made the scenes look cluttered.
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Old November 6 2014, 09:51 PM   #7
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

This has been posted before, however it seems the right place to re-post. Documentary on the making of the episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAfEXDCsRmg

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Old November 6 2014, 10:13 PM   #8
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Also a few pictures from Bird of the Galaxy.

Early optical print, before stars were composited into the image












And and interview with Norman Spinrad on his work on Star Trek.

Part 1: http://www.startrek.com/article/doom...spinrad-part-1

Part 2: http://www.startrek.com/article/doom...spinrad-part-2

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Old November 6 2014, 11:46 PM   #9
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

Great stuff guys! Keep them coming!
I'm going to focus now on the many models (both real and computer) of the USS Constellation and the Doomsday Machine.

First we have a 1/350 scale model VIDEO (bigger than the original) by Brad Hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxhpHvpoTUM


Next we have a VIDEO of the closest I have seen to the original model. This one was created by JM Chladek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ualivoNNNo8


This version is by Billy Lehner.


Another shot of the original from Great Bird of the Galaxy


This great one (creator unknown)


This version by Barry Yonner


This CG version by Metlesits Fleetyards


And of course the CBS Digital version
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Old November 6 2014, 11:55 PM   #10
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Docherman's > Gammans'.
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Old November 7 2014, 12:14 AM   #11
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Subtle details I would like to see:

1.) The Constellation was in the vicinity of the third planet when the planet was destroyed. Some nearby debris is good, but both artists used too many big chunks. A very faint "haze," like fog would have made a nice touch. Thus, the nearby star—shown in Gammans' renderings—could have thrown long shadows from the ships and debris.

2.) When Kirk maneuvers the Constellation, the original VFX showed a (cringeworthy) stuttering movement, and the interiors showed Kirk and Scotty tumbling around under the G-forces. One might assume that the inertial damping field of the ship was off-line. A CGI exterior shot might show wreckage from the damaged sections of the hull breaking off and tumbling away as the ship groans into motion.
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Old November 7 2014, 08:31 AM   #12
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CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
Docherman's > Gammans'.
Da.

Metryq wrote: View Post
The Constellation was in the vicinity of the third planet when the planet was destroyed. Some nearby debris is good, but both artists used too many big chunks.
Agreed... the planet killer wasn't such a sloppy eater and it didn't waste food!
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Old November 8 2014, 01:29 AM   #13
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

Both efforts are very well-done. Dochterman's is closer to the original shots; Gammans' uses more creative angles and backgrounds. I enjoyed them both.

Any way you could correct the spelling of Dochterman's name in the video?
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Old November 8 2014, 05:58 AM   #14
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Re: The DOOMSDAY MACHINE- Videos, stills, rare insights, fan made mate

and... DONE. Unfortunately I cant change my original post so here it is again with the corrected spelling. Thanks for pointing that out Doug

https://vimeo.com/111014212
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Old November 8 2014, 05:34 PM   #15
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Next we have a video by WileyCoyote1701 which has an interesting take on the Enterprise blasting the Planet Killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-_ZxlTOnM


Next we have 2 diorama models from Mike Watson and Billy Lehner.


This one from Jarvis B.


This diorama from Gary Burke.




This offering from Anubis Productions.
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