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Old December 4 2012, 10:05 PM   #136
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Re: Let's say Marvel and DC were to merge universes.

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Gaiman's version of Death appeared in Incredible Hulk 418, at the wedding of Rick Jones and Marlo Chandler. Peter David asked permission from Gaiman who approved, but PAD was ultimately given an odd condition about how she appears.

Read about it here (second legend down).
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"I better take off before that Thanos creep shows up."
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Old December 4 2012, 10:13 PM   #137
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I'd like to see Jarvis and Alfred go down the pub and have a massive piss up whilst moaning about their cranky millionaire playboy superhero bosses.
Interesting thing: Originally, before Alfred was given the Pennyworth surname in the '70s, he was referred to once or twice in the '40s or '50s as Alfred Jarvis! Maybe in a merged universe, they could be half-brothers or something.
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Old December 5 2012, 02:23 AM   #138
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Darkseid would have him in tossed in the fire pits.
But the battle would have left him drained enough for Thanos to move in and conquer the planet! MWAHHAHAHAHA!
Nah, Darkseid has minions who do things like toss upstarts into fire pits. He doesn't dirty his hands with riff raff and knock offs.
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Old December 5 2012, 02:26 AM   #139
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Darkseid would have him in tossed in the fire pits.
But the battle would have left him drained enough for Thanos to move in and conquer the planet! MWAHHAHAHAHA!
Nah, Darkseid has minions who do things like toss upstarts into fire pits. He doesn't dirty his hands with riff raff and knock offs.
Or he just kills them with his Omega Beams.
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Old December 5 2012, 02:50 AM   #140
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But the battle would have left him drained enough for Thanos to move in and conquer the planet! MWAHHAHAHAHA!
Nah, Darkseid has minions who do things like toss upstarts into fire pits. He doesn't dirty his hands with riff raff and knock offs.
Or he just kills them with his Omega Beams.
You guys keep talking about Thanos like he's a lightweight. He's the Darkseid of the Eternals.
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Old December 5 2012, 03:00 AM   #141
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And Darkseid is actually Darkseid.
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Old December 5 2012, 03:39 AM   #142
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Darkseid was a Kirby creation. He could just as easily have been created for the Marvel universe and would have fit in quite nicely.
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Old December 5 2012, 04:31 AM   #143
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Not really since that would have necessitated the cancellation and death of all the characters in Thor.

Plus I don't think Roy Thomas and Stan Lee would have permitted some of the background characters in Mister Miracle.
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Old December 5 2012, 04:07 PM   #144
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^The fanboy's point is noted.
Although I'm speaking not as a "fanboy," but as a casual observer who has only a passing familiarity with either character.
Fair enough, I have to admit only a passing familiarity with Gaiman's Death character. No offense meant by the 'fanboy' comment.

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My point was less about what does or doesn't take precedent in an imaginary crossover and more about responding to the point you seemed to have made.

You had stated that perky Goth Death was only one aspect of Death. In response, I pointed out that her creator said she wasn't an aspect of Death but was, in fact, Death. Unless and until DC or Gaiman undoes that, that's the current status of the character, as sure as Superman is the survivor of the doomed planet Krypton, or Batman is an orphaned millionaire.

I suppose, yes, if DC and Marvel were to somehow merge they could, hypothetically, overrule Gaiman's interpretation of his own character. However, until that happens, I'm going to stick with the character as she is, as written by her creator, not as someone might like to see her.
Your point that Gaiman's Death was the Death of the DC universe is all well and good, but it came across (to me at least) that you're were saying she would be on a higher eshelon than any other representation of Death should those universes be merged.
My apologies. I thought you were talking about Death pre-merger.
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I'd like to see Jarvis and Alfred go down the pub and have a massive piss up whilst moaning about their cranky millionaire playboy superhero bosses.
Interesting thing: Originally, before Alfred was given the Pennyworth surname in the '70s, he was referred to once or twice in the '40s or '50s as Alfred Jarvis! Maybe in a merged universe, they could be half-brothers or something.
I may be misremembering, but I believe that originally he was just referred as "Alfred" and his father was named "Jarvis" (Not sure if this was meant to be first or last name). Later he was called "Alfred Beagle" and then "Alfred Pennyworth"
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Old December 5 2012, 04:44 PM   #146
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I used to wonder why Alfred was never given a last name on the '66 TV series. Now I know it's because the comics hadn't yet coined the Pennyworth name, and the others were used too briefly.

But Commissioner Gordon was never given a first name on that series either. When was he first called James/Jim in the comics?
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Old December 5 2012, 04:48 PM   #147
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But the battle would have left him drained enough for Thanos to move in and conquer the planet! MWAHHAHAHAHA!
Nah, Darkseid has minions who do things like toss upstarts into fire pits. He doesn't dirty his hands with riff raff and knock offs.
Or he just kills them with his Omega Beams.
If Thanos wasn't effectively immortal and invulnerable the omega beams might leave some sort of lasting impression on him.

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And Darkseid is actually Darkseid.
Thanos is generally shown to be a bit more strategically and tactically intelligent than Darkseid with a power level on par with him.

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My apologies. I thought you were talking about Death pre-merger.
And I thought you were talking post-merger. Faults on both sides let's say.
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Old December 5 2012, 05:14 PM   #148
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But Commissioner Gordon was never given a first name on that series either. When was he first called James/Jim in the comics?
Not sure how helpful this is...

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Old December 5 2012, 05:43 PM   #149
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Nah, Darkseid has minions who do things like toss upstarts into fire pits. He doesn't dirty his hands with riff raff and knock offs.
Or he just kills them with his Omega Beams.
If Thanos wasn't effectively immortal and invulnerable the omega beams might leave some sort of lasting impression on him.

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And Darkseid is actually Darkseid.
Thanos is generally shown to be a bit more strategically and tactically intelligent than Darkseid with a power level on par with him.
I don't think the Omega Beams respect things like invulnerability and immortality. They pretty much wipe you from existence.

Darkseid often plays a long game, so I think he has strategy and tactics well covered.
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Old December 5 2012, 05:50 PM   #150
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Omega beams are just the seeking mechanism for the actual Omega Effect that he possesses.
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