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Old January 27 2015, 03:21 AM   #1
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List of "official" non-canon starship classes

I'm working on a starship related project and part of it entails me coming up with a list of starships/stations which are non-canon, but which are so "official", so widely known and accepted, that they may as well be.

I'm thinking things like:

Sean Tourangeau's Luna Class
Mark Rademaker's Vesta Class
Doug Drexler's New Deep Space 9
The Klingon Qang Class
Vanguard Station
Masao Okazaki's Archer Class
Mark Rademaker's Full Circle Fleet
Doug Drexler's refit NX Class

TOS-era Miranda Class
Ptolemy Class
Saladin Class
Federation Class

Cheyenne Class
New Orleans Class
Niagara Class
Springfield Class
Challenger Class
Freedom Class

Am I missing anything else that is widely known and basically "official" in every way except having appeared onscreen? Perhaps something non-Federation?

I'll also be posting this in the Fan Art Forum. Thanks for any help or suggestions.
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Old January 27 2015, 04:54 AM   #2
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Re: List of "official" non-canon starship classes

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Ptolemy Class
Saladin Class
The designs for those ships are canon, as they were seen on displays in TWOK and TSFS. However, since the names were not mentioned or seen, we can't canonically link them to the designs. We also cannot know if those designs are based on actual ships, as we never saw any ships with those designs on screen. The designs are canon, though.

Cheyenne Class
New Orleans Class
Niagara Class
Springfield Class
Challenger Class
Freedom Class
Same deal. There were six ships (not including the Nebula class Melbourne, whose class name was canonized in "The Wounded") seen in the Wolf 359 graveyard, so the designs are canon even if there were no names associated with them in dialogue. The above names for the ship classes are official though, having been established in a licensed Trek publication.
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Old January 27 2015, 06:28 AM   #3
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I don't know how "widely known and accepted" it is, but how about the Klingon "D4" originally designed for ENT's "Unexpected"? It's made a number of appearances in SotL calendar images.
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Old January 27 2015, 11:56 PM   #4
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Interesting. I wasn't aware of that ship.
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Old January 28 2015, 05:09 AM   #5
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^ Sorry, I should have included links then.

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Old January 30 2015, 03:11 AM   #6
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Re: List of "official" non-canon starship classes

That's the exact kind of thing I'm looking for. Famous origin, used in multiple publications. I may add that to the list.

I am actually just trying to develop a list of the most important/my favorite starships from all the series and Treklit. Someday when technology, money, and space in my house allow, (inspired by my childhood love of the Star Trek Micro-Machines) I would love to 3-D print around 150 starships in 1/5000 scale. My main problem now is that I want them to be full color, which I understand limits the material they can be 3D printed in. Otherwise I could have them professionally painted but then the price becomes even more of an issue.

Someday all the stars will align and I'll be able to actually do it, bit by bit, but for now I just want to make the perfect list of all the "best" Star Trek ships and what size they would be at 1/5000 scale.
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Old February 7 2015, 12:11 AM   #7
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Thought I'd posted this earlier, but the Churchill and the Bonaventure might be good candidates.

As would the Phobos and the Copernicus.
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Old February 8 2015, 03:13 PM   #8
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I'll check those out. Thanks!
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Old February 17 2015, 12:34 AM   #9
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I like the Vesta the most of all.
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Old March 10 2015, 10:44 PM   #10
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If we're counting designs that made it into the SOTL calendar series, there is also the Spirit, Onimaru, and New Atlantic classes.
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Old March 12 2015, 07:30 AM   #11
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A good list of the ships in the calendars would be nice. I don't even know what most of the newer ones are.
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Old March 13 2015, 08:21 AM   #12
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Re: List of "official" non-canon starship classes

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Federation Class
Actually that one is canon.

In TMP if you listen closely to the comm chatter during the Epsilon 9 establishing scene you can hear a female voice say "Epsilon 9 this is dreadnought Entente calling. NCC-2120 calling comm station Epsilon 9 come in.". If you look in the Star Fleet Technical Manual that ship is listed (second column, fourth down in names list) as a Federation class.


I remember reading somewhere that the Franz Joseph's stuff was originally considered canon, hence why his plans were used on displays in the first three movies and at least three* of his ships get name checked in TMP, but Roddenberry threw a hissy fit and made up his "official design rules" to de-canon them. Though since they appeared on screen they are still technically canon.


*Columbia NCC-621, Revere NCC-595, Entente NCC-2120
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Old March 13 2015, 07:42 PM   #13
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^^ Someone will no doubt point out that dreadnought Entente and her hull number is canon, but the class that FJ assigned her to is not, since that is not mentioned.
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Roddenberry only had one "official" rule which was that the nacelles had to be paired. He assumed that it was a necessity to create a stable warping just like a helicopter needed several rotors to control each other's torque, but as Gene was not an engineer he never formally developed this in an engineering fashion and we've seen ships that don't follow this rule, so one could always choose to ignore it IMO. Andrew Probert developed the other "rules" like LOS between nacelles during the production of TMP, since it was planned at one stage to have energy passing between the nacelles.

I'm not in the camp that says Roddenberry deliberately screwed FJ myself, though I do understand some of that perception and I think those works, along with many other tie-ins, became victims of the 80s crackdown on tie-ins being canonical, if only loosely, so that the live-action entries would set the standards.
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Old March 13 2015, 08:02 PM   #15
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I'm sure somebody will.

I'll point out instead that the distinct three-nacelled silhouette of the Federation class is the only one from the old tech manual not seen on a computer display screen in the TOS movies. Not that the other SFTM ships would have been seen in such a way as to associate them with class names let alone individual ship names, either...

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