Orson Scott card's post-election rant - Page 2

The Engineer · November 26 2012, 09:23 PM

That's right. I always get those 2 dickbags confused.

I don't deny that the script was good, it just wasn't good for ST for the simple fact that it shat all over Roddenberry's vision. And no, I'm not a Roddenberry kool aid drinker, I think he was a monumental shitbag himself. But it would be like submitting a script, no matter how good it is, to nBSG where they break out into musical numbers from Glee. It doesn't work within the constraints of the show.

OmahaStar · November 26 2012, 09:33 PM

Misfit Toy wrote:

OmahaStar wrote:

captrek wrote:

Is that why he posted the same thread twice?

I meant OSC. I'm not familiar with the OP up there ... though since you mentioned it, I clicked on the "more posts" linky and you're right. He posted the exact same thread in TNZ. That's an automatic warning for spam, per the board rules.

No it isn't. A thread can exist in both TNZ and Misc without penalty, since TNZ is an "opt-in" forum.

Based on this post from Neroon, it was originally posted in SF, and was moved to TNZ by a mod. SF isn't opt-in.

Though, I do wonder why the OP would post it in SF, let it get moved to TNZ, and then a full week later, post the exact same thread in Misc. Wasn't one thread enough?

TalkieToaster · November 26 2012, 09:51 PM

OmahaStar wrote:

Misfit Toy wrote:

OmahaStar wrote:

I meant OSC. I'm not familiar with the OP up there ... though since you mentioned it, I clicked on the "more posts" linky and you're right. He posted the exact same thread in TNZ. That's an automatic warning for spam, per the board rules.

No it isn't. A thread can exist in both TNZ and Misc without penalty, since TNZ is an "opt-in" forum.

Based on this post from Neroon, it was originally posted in SF, and was moved to TNZ by a mod. SF isn't opt-in.

Though, I do wonder why the OP would post it in SF, let it get moved to TNZ, and then a full week later, post the exact same thread in Misc. Wasn't one thread enough?

Sorry for the repost, but for some reason I can't access my original thread, so I thought it had been deleted. Originally it said that that thread was moved, but when I tried to access it I got a message saying I wasn't able to access the page (the same thing happened when I clicked on the Neroon post you just linked to). I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm sorry for the confusion.

Harvey · November 26 2012, 10:29 PM

The Engineer wrote:

But it would be like submitting a script, no matter how good it is, to nBSG where they break out into musical numbers from Glee. It doesn't work within the constraints of the show.

Roddenberry liked to claim that Ellison's teleplay marked a dramatic departure from the series format, but it just isn't true.

You can purchase the teleplay (along with Ellison's outlines and plenty of background interview) or just read about it here.

Captrek · November 26 2012, 10:41 PM

TalkieToaster wrote:

OmahaStar wrote:

Misfit Toy wrote:

No it isn't. A thread can exist in both TNZ and Misc without penalty, since TNZ is an "opt-in" forum.

Based on this post from Neroon, it was originally posted in SF, and was moved to TNZ by a mod. SF isn't opt-in.

Though, I do wonder why the OP would post it in SF, let it get moved to TNZ, and then a full week later, post the exact same thread in Misc. Wasn't one thread enough?

Sorry for the repost, but for some reason I can't access my original thread, so I thought it had been deleted. Originally it said that that thread was moved, but when I tried to access it I got a message saying I wasn't able to access the page (the same thing happened when I clicked on the Neroon post you just linked to). I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm sorry for the confusion.

Might you have closed yourself off from the TNZ group in your control panel? The thread is still here in the election sub-forum in TNZ.

Harvey wrote:

The Engineer wrote:

But it would be like submitting a script, no matter how good it is, to nBSG where they break out into musical numbers from Glee. It doesn't work within the constraints of the show.

Roddenberry liked to claim that Ellison's teleplay marked a dramatic departure from the series format, but it just isn't true.

You can purchase the teleplay (along with Ellison's outlines and plenty of background interview) or just read about it here.

I have read it, and I think it's excellent, but I agree with GR that his rewrite is a better fit for the series. In particular, I like the change from the drug dealer to an accidentally drugged McCoy, and I like the depiction of the Guardian in Roddenberry's version better than Ellison's. I gather that what upset Ellison the most is the ending:

I don't presume to declare which version is artistically superior, but ultimately these characters are Roddenberry's creation, he was responsible for creating a coherent, consistent portrait of them across episodes from various authors, and I think it was perfectly appropriate for him to rewrite Ellison's ending to be more consistent with his own vision of the characters.

Tora Ziyal · November 26 2012, 10:43 PM

TalkieToaster wrote:

Sorry for the repost, but for some reason I can't access my original thread, so I thought it had been deleted. Originally it said that that thread was moved, but when I tried to access it I got a message saying I wasn't able to access the page (the same thing happened when I clicked on the Neroon post you just linked to). I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm sorry for the confusion.

TalkieToaster, it sounds like you haven't signed up for The Neutral Zone, the folder where those threads are located. Go to your User Control Panel and click on Group Membership in the list on the left...

TalkieToaster · November 26 2012, 11:21 PM

Tora Ziyal wrote:

TalkieToaster wrote:

Sorry for the repost, but for some reason I can't access my original thread, so I thought it had been deleted. Originally it said that that thread was moved, but when I tried to access it I got a message saying I wasn't able to access the page (the same thing happened when I clicked on the Neroon post you just linked to). I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm sorry for the confusion.

TalkieToaster, it sounds like you haven't signed up for The Neutral Zone, the folder where those threads are located. Go to your User Control Panel and click on Group Membership in the list on the left...

Thanks for letting me know. I just signed up for it, sorry for not knowing earlier and causing confusion.

Tora Ziyal · November 26 2012, 11:32 PM

You're welcome.

I was just reading this article in The Onion, and it made me think of OSC and the whole website where his article was.

thumbtack · November 26 2012, 11:47 PM

What's amusing is that Lionsgate and Orci/Kurtzman, who were only recently made aware of Card's mental health, are now desperately scrambling to find a way to keep him away from tv cameras during the Ender's Game marketing.

Harvey · November 26 2012, 11:55 PM

Is there any reporting on that? Card has a voice-over cameo in the film, and has praised it in an interview, despite departures from the source material.

November 26 2012, 09:23 PM	#16
The Engineer Commander Location: Unknown	Re: Orson Scott card's post-election rant That's right. I always get those 2 dickbags confused. I don't deny that the script was good, it just wasn't good for ST for the simple fact that it shat all over Roddenberry's vision. And no, I'm not a Roddenberry kool aid drinker, I think he was a monumental shitbag himself. But it would be like submitting a script, no matter how good it is, to nBSG where they break out into musical numbers from Glee. It doesn't work within the constraints of the show.

November 26 2012, 11:32 PM	#23
Tora Ziyal Rear Admiral Location: Baltimore, MD, USA	Re: Orson Scott card's post-election rant You're welcome. I was just reading this article in The Onion, and it made me think of OSC and the whole website where his article was.

November 26 2012, 11:47 PM	#24
thumbtack Fleet Captain Location: Ankh-Morpork	Re: Orson Scott card's post-election rant What's amusing is that Lionsgate and Orci/Kurtzman, who were only recently made aware of Card's mental health, are now desperately scrambling to find a way to keep him away from tv cameras during the Ender's Game marketing. __________________ Participants will receive study medication.

November 26 2012, 11:55 PM	#25
Harvey Admiral	Re: Orson Scott card's post-election rant Is there any reporting on that? Card has a voice-over cameo in the film, and has praised it in an interview, despite departures from the source material. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

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