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Old November 26 2012, 10:51 PM   #31
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Re: Canon characters killed in lit-verse. (spoilers)

If Indistinguishable from Magic is being bypassed now, perhaps there can be even more creative ways to un-bypass it in the future. Some interesting explanations as to why it's "gone away" can be devised, I would think...
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Old November 26 2012, 10:51 PM   #32
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Re: Canon characters killed in lit-verse. (spoilers)

Yeah, they reunified the Romulans, but the IRS still happened. That was plot progression, not ignoring an element they didn't like, there's a difference.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:57 PM   #33
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It was getting rid of Krad-related plot elements in a unceremonious (aka rushed) fashion. DGIII did the same to elements from IFM too - and the editors told the next author, D. Mack, not to bother even with this.

Call it 'plot progression' - the 'reset button' pattern is nevertheless evident.
Everything Krad originated that was not heavily developed by current authors is in line for this reset button.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:14 PM   #34
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Not necessarily, we're still getting novels featuring Pres. Bacco, and the Typhon Pact both of which were introduced by KRAD. Other than that, I don't think there are really many KRAD introduced elements that are even playing a role in any of the current novels. Now I'm not saying that is because there's some deep dark conspiracy against him, it's just that at this point it's been so long since he wrote a Trek novel that the story line has moved forward quite a bit.
EDIT: We also got a fair amount of followup on KRAD's MU versions of the Voyager characters in Rise Like Lions.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:16 PM   #35
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As said: Everything Krad originated that was not heavily developed by current authors is in line for this reset button.

The death of old age of the Federation President from Homefront/Paradise Lost in Articles of the Federation - among many other developments - is in line.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:19 PM   #36
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But if elements introduced by KRAD have been used in recent novels then obviously there is no conspiracy against him.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:26 PM   #37
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These elements were already used by other authors before the new editorial regime; they were too interconnected developments of trek lit not to be mentioned by these authors.
And 'conspiracy' is a pretty forced name for what's happening - it's a standard business decision; noting hidden about it.

Just don't expect for Krad's books (art of the impossible, etc) not to be contradicted in books set in the same time periods.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:32 PM   #38
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I think it's also worth pointing out that the issue with IfM had nothing to do with the author, it was the content. They decided that some of the stuff in the book contradicted what they wanted to do now. Don't get me wrong it's shitty behavior, so far I'm loving IfM and there are numerous ways to fix the error, but I still don't see why we have to jump the assumption that this will become a regular practice in regards to books by people no longer writing Trek Lit.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:35 PM   #39
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I guess repeating relevant information is in order:

There was nothing in IFM that affected even marginally an important plot point from D. Mack's recent book, JD. It's 'ignore status' has little to do with its content - and all to do with the author preferences of the editors. You see, the editors decided they don't like (aka work well with) the AUTHOR, not the book (both Krad and D. McIntee made this clear on this very forum).

For confirmation, see http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=194770
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Old November 26 2012, 11:40 PM   #40
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In a book written by Krad - now in exile from writing star trek lit.

If bringing the character back is in the least advantageous for some future plot, he will be brought back - and 'Articles of the federation' will go the 'didn't happen in universe' route of 'Indistinguishable from magic'.
Erm, sure? I mean, it's a given that that could happen to any novel. But I don't see what this weirdly hostile tone towards KRAD has to do with -- well, with anything, really.
So, you haven't heard (or if you have, you refuse to accept the evident):
I'm aware of the situation with Indistinguishable from Magic and KRAD. I just don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand.


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As said: Everything Krad originated that was not heavily developed by current authors is in line for this reset button.

The death of old age of the Federation President from Homefront/Paradise Lost in Articles of the Federation - among many other developments - is in line.
But the topic at hand is, what canon characters have been killed in the novels?, not, what elements from prior books are in continuity with newer books?

I mean, Dr. McCoy died of old age in 2364 in 2006's Crucible: McCoy - Provenance of Shadows, but that didn't stop him from showing up in 2381 in 2009's A Singular Destiny. Whether or not a given book is in continuity with the rest of the line is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:44 PM   #41
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I guess repeating relevant information is in order:

There was nothing in IFM that affected even marginally an important plot point from D. Mack's recent book, JD. It's 'ignore status' has little to do with its content - and all to do with the author preferences of the editors. You see, the editors decided they don't like (aka work well with) the AUTHOR, not the book (both Krad and D. McIntee made this clear on this very forum).

For confirmation, see http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=194770
I've been here the whole time this has been going on, so I know what's been said. All I'm trying to say is that you're jumping to way to many conclusions here. I'm not one to start getting all crazy and paranoid over one incident.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:50 PM   #42
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I should mention that it's worth considering the extremely low probability that a relatively unimportant character's death (in a book that established most of the characters and settings used in later books featuring the Federation Presidency) doesn't seem like the sort of thing that's likely to be contradicted later on. It's not like anyone's chomping at the bit to write Star Trek: The Further Adventures of Jaresh-Inyo in the Twenty-Fourth and a Half Century.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:53 PM   #43
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Exactly. I just don't see the people behind the books being that vindictive.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:58 PM   #44
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I guess repeating relevant information is in order:

There was nothing in IFM that affected even marginally an important plot point from D. Mack's recent book, JD. It's 'ignore status' has little to do with its content - and all to do with the author preferences of the editors. You see, the editors decided they don't like (aka work well with) the AUTHOR, not the book (both Krad and D. McIntee made this clear on this very forum).

For confirmation, see http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=194770
I've been here the whole time this has been going on, so I know what's been said. All I'm trying to say is that you're jumping to way to many conclusions here. I'm not one to start getting all crazy and paranoid over one incident.
For someone who knows what's been said, you sure are eager to misrepresent the facts "I think it's also worth pointing out that the issue with IfM had nothing to do with the author, it was the content."
Indeed, your eagerness to go the 'see no evil hear no evil speak no evil' route is quite interesting.

As for 'too many conclusions' - these 'conclusions' are a quite limited inference from the facts as presented (DG3's method of rushed conclusions - for both authors - was too slow; ignore became the rule - so far, confirmed for only one author).
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Old November 27 2012, 12:01 AM   #45
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My first post on this thread should make it clear that it is on a tangent to the threat title (one of many previous ones, in this forum).
If you have a problem with this - you must have a problem with a LOT of threads here.
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