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Old March 27 2015, 10:21 PM   #1
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This is Engineering?

Was this supposed to be main engineering? From the looks of it, it just looks like two consoles blocking the rest of the Jefferies tube. And is Scotty supposed to be looking at the core? This just threw me off a little bit.



My only guess is that the production time was cut really short and they didn't have a chance to redress it like they did for TUC. Thanks.

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Old March 27 2015, 10:55 PM   #2
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I don't think we need to interpret that as Main Engineering or anything specific. Scotty was putting out bush fires all across the ship; he probably had no time off for visiting his usual workplace, where his little people were pushing the usual buttons for him.

Whether we're supposed to interpret that as something-or-other is a different matter, but I don't see the point. It's actually delightful to see that Scotty doesn't have to crawl on all fours in order to inspect and repair the deeper bowels of his ship, like in TNG!

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Old March 27 2015, 11:10 PM   #3
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Well to be fair to TNG we did see the larger Jefferies tubes in TNG's "The Hunted" we also saw smaller jefferies tubes in TOS.
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Old March 27 2015, 11:14 PM   #4
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Re: This is Engineering?

Well, we saw this for all of one camera shot in the first act of the movie. It's no surprise that they re-dressed an existing set for it (IIRC, TNG then inherited the set as its "larger" Jeffries tubes for season three before settling on the crawlspace sets).

In some ways though I'm happier with this than the slapdash "redress" of the TNG Engineering set they did for TUC, leaving the actual warp core as-is while changing the displays, adding a few stickers, and covering up the rest with a crowd of extras wearing movie-era white worksuits. Granted, it was still TECHNICALLY the original TMP Engineering set in the first place, but they barely glossed over the rebuild they did for TNG.

In any case, the TFF set could very well have been just one corner of Engineering. Or the impulse engineering deck, or something. The transcript has Kirk calling the "engine room", but pretty much every incarnation of Trek shows the engine compartment as having multiple areas and levels to play with, and this could easily be one of those for the Enterprise-A.

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Old March 28 2015, 12:25 AM   #5
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In some ways though I'm happier with this than the slapdash "redress" of the TNG Engineering set they did for TUC, leaving the actual warp core as-is while changing the displays, adding a few stickers, and covering up the rest with a crowd of extras wearing movie-era white worksuits. Granted, it was still TECHNICALLY the original TMP Engineering set in the first place, but they barely glossed over the rebuild they did for TNG.
You do indeed make quite a good point here. The sets for engineering in TUC were quite slap dashed and half-arsed. Heck, even in that picture above me you can see LCARS control panels; however Star Trek VI did do a much better job with sickbay in TUC, albeit with the lights turned off when Valeris was about to be exposed. Sickbay TFF had pretty exposed LCARS controls. That was just bad...

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Old March 28 2015, 01:37 AM   #6
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Meh. It's never bothered me that LCARS had it's roots in the late 2280's.

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Old March 28 2015, 02:22 AM   #7
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They should have changed the Light pattern for the TUC redress to make it stand apart. The Warp plasma on the Constitution refit's began on the lower part of the secondary hull. It then travel up all the way to the Impulse deck. But I guess most was diverted down the horizontal conduit when at warp. So the light should have all been rising upward.
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Old March 28 2015, 09:28 AM   #8
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...So, basically, what we saw in ST:TMP was the plasma conduits that took the energy from the warp core to the engines.

And what we saw in ST:TUC is the actual warp core itself.

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Old March 28 2015, 10:07 AM   #9
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To be fair, even in 1991 there was no way for the producers to know that decades later people would go through these movies frame by frame looking for the tiniest mistake in detail.

Now that they do know, they compensate. With lens flares.
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Old March 28 2015, 10:18 AM   #10
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No. This is Pod Racing. Wasn't there a momo?
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Old March 28 2015, 06:21 PM   #11
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No. This is Pod Racing. Wasn't there a momo?
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Old March 28 2015, 07:01 PM   #12
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Back in 2005 when I was working with Shane on his revised Scott's Guide pitch to Pocket Books, we ended up putting that area off to the side of the core level.
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Old March 28 2015, 07:25 PM   #13
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Those GNDN pipes and consoles are really awkwardly placed, blocking access where major volume is dedicated to no other purpose except access. One is tempted to think it's the result of the half-baked and hurried refit that turned the old Yorktown into the E-A... Given a few more months, the pipes would have been bent and the consoles integrated to the walls.

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Old March 28 2015, 07:40 PM   #14
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Back in 2005 when I was working with Shane on his revised Scott's Guide pitch to Pocket Books, we ended up putting that area off to the side of the core level.
I like the fresh approach you've taken there! Are there other drawings available from that project?

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Old March 28 2015, 07:58 PM   #15
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Those GNDN pipes and consoles are really awkwardly placed, blocking access where major volume is dedicated to no other purpose except access. One is tempted to think it's the result of the half-baked and hurried refit that turned the old Yorktown into the E-A... Given a few more months, the pipes would have been bent and the consoles integrated to the walls.
Ditto. It reminded me alot of the random pipes sticking out and across the corridors on the Constellation in "The Doomsday Machine". Very rushed and half-baked.
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