Did Voyager get better or worse when Kes was replaced with 7 of 9?

[teacake]

What we have works out to 18.6 episodes a year from the first episode to the last one. That's more than Dr. Who gives us.

[Alpha Flyer]

The Overlord wrote:

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I think the show needed a character with an arc, so having Seven on made sense, but it would have been nice to keep Kes as well.

I always thought Tom Paris had a real arc; he does some serious growing up between seasons 1, 2, 5 and 6/7.

Kes had a couple of spots that could have been an arc, but were never connected.

7/9 had two arcs, both well ... enhanced and supported.

[teacake]

Neelix had an arc from manipulative jerk to smooth talking man of patter.

[Guy Gardener]

Arc?

That would require co-ordination between writers.

[Dream]

Alpha Flyer wrote:

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I always thought Tom Paris had a real arc; he does some serious growing up between seasons 1, 2, 5 and 6/7.

Kes had a couple of spots that could have been an arc, but were never connected.

7/9 had two arcs, both well ... enhanced and supported.

What was Harry Kim's arc?

[DanCPA]

Dream wrote:

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What was Harry Kim's arc?

7 years of futility

[teacake]

So cruel!

[DanCPA]

teacake wrote:

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So cruel!

Sadly, accurate

[R. Star]

It takes a lot of creative effort to find news ways for him to be the whipping boy after Seven years. I dunno why, but the Borg Queen personally calling him out just makes me laugh every time.

[teya]

Lynx wrote:

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And still it is unfair to compare Kes with Seven. Kes was supposed to be a main character, Seven was supposed to be the main character.

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In the Voyager case, Seven wasn't supposed to become the focus of everyone's attention, Janeway was. It would have been like shoving Picard aside and make Troi the visual point of TNG.

You're contradicting yourself here.

Seven was never supposed to be The Main Character. If she were, Jeri would have had top billing. She didn't. Seven wasn't.

If the "beeeezneeezzz" needs sex and good looks to sell their merchandise, then I would suggest that they put those sexy, good looking characters in from the start and focus on looks instead of good stories and interesting characters. Then we don't have to see our favorites being kicked out for "not being sexy enough" or being insulted by episodes like "Fury".

Yeah, because the only thing Jeri Ryan has to offer the world is a great body.

Thing is, Lynx, even if you think she's just a silly little fluff-bunny without a brain in her head or a talent for anything, she's a decent actress & has proven that with a solid resume since Voyager.

She's also smart, witty and personable.

I know that's a bitter pill to swallow.

[Guy Gardener]

She raped her smarts out of a lot of unwilling victims, she's viciously sarcastic more than politely funny, and no, she is not personable, she is aloof, superior, disjoint and antisocial.

Um?

Are you talking about Jeri?

I was talking about Seven

[teya]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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She raped her smarts out of a lot of unwilling victims, she's viciously sarcastic more than politely funny, and no, she is not personable, she is aloof, superior, disjoint and antisocial.

Um?

Are you talking about Jeri?

I was talking about Seven

I was responding to Lynx, not you. See who was quoted?

And I thought this clearly established who I was talking about:

Yeah, because the only thing Jeri Ryan has to offer the world is a great body.

[Guy Gardener]

Without looking her up on IMDB, I like Jeri on Leverage, even if she is orange, but I thought her character was too preachy on Boston Public. Everyone on Body of Evidence is meh, it's diet House lite with zero calories, and I'm not sure how Shark made it into a second season, but that wasn't her fault.

[R. Star]

teya wrote:

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I was responding to Lynx, not you. See who was quoted?

And I thought this clearly established who I was talking about:

My friend, this is an open message board with a running conversation. Anyone can jump in as they please, so kindly don't call the thought police because you didn't like what someone said. If you really desire a private conversation, this message board has a nifty private message feature too.

[Lynx]

teya wrote:

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You're contradicting yourself here.

Seven was never supposed to be The Main Character. If she were, Jeri would have had top billing. She didn't. Seven wasn't.

Yeah, because the only thing Jeri Ryan has to offer the world is a great body.

Thing is, Lynx, even if you think she's just a silly little fluff-bunny without a brain in her head or a talent for anything, she's a decent actress & has proven that with a solid resume since Voyager.

She's also smart, witty and personable.

I know that's a bitter pill to swallow.

I was referring to showbiz as such and not Jeri Ryan.

I could and should actually write something about me appreciating Jeri's acting in "Boston Public", "OC", "Boston Legal" and "Shark" and also agreeing on your statement about her being a decent actress & has proven that with a solid resume since Voyager. And that she's also smart, witty and personable.

But I have a feeling that my efforts in this case are futile since you probably will turn it into something very negative too.

As for bitter pills, the only bitter pills I have to swallow are those which are constantly showing up in my face and pushed down my throat in the Kes/Lien case and I'm getting sick and tired about it. I'm not only referring to forum debates here.

To be absolutely honest, you did bet on a winner. Be happy for that.