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Old July 10 2014, 12:24 AM   #946
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Actually Voyager did terrific stuff with Q, 2 times out of 3. They made Q a richer and more sympathetic character by showing us the Continuum and giving us a context for him, and making him an actual rebel within his community rather than just some isolated magic man bugging us humans. The only dud was "Q2."

But even Q's VGR appearances were driven largely by DeLancie's personality. The banter between Q and Janeway was mainly about giving good friends DeLancie and Mulgrew a chance to have fun playing off each other, and "Q2" was all-out nepotism, an episode written to let DeLancie show off his son.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:37 AM   #947
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Nah - like Brent Spiner, DeLancie thinks he's got too old to play his unaging TNG character now.
I don't know, that's not that much of an issue. After all, Q as we see him isn't how he actually looks, it's a form he adopts to make it easier to interact with humans. So for some reason he how wants to look older.

Besides, aside from gray hair, John de Lancie hasn't changed that much today compared to his TNG days. Were he to play Q now it wouldn't really be too distracting.

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He's just a rehash of the stock Trek godlike alien, particularly the Trelane model (which wasn't all that entertaining the first time around),
Personally I love The Squire of Gothos because Trelane is such an awesome character.
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Old July 10 2014, 03:16 AM   #948
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The 24th Century the characters end up in is the Abramsverse 24th Century not the Prime one, right?
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Old July 10 2014, 03:42 AM   #949
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The 24th Century the characters end up in is the Abramsverse 24th Century not the Prime one, right?
The opening scene with Q and Picard is in the Prime universe (or the Countdown version thereof), so I'm inclined to think it'll be the Prime DS9. I mean, remember, these comics have to fit around the movies and avoid doing anything that would conflict with them too much. Showing the future of the Abramsverse would run a huge risk of contradicting galaxy-changing events in later movies. So I think they'll want to shy away from that. And I think, judging from the opening, that this is meant to be the big Abramsverse/Primeverse crossover story that a lot of fans have wanted. Okay, people probably wanted to see a crossover between the two versions of Kirk's crew, but that would've created continuity problems with the Primeverse (e.g. Spock Prime learning too much about his own future), so making it the Countdown-era Primeverse avoids those complications.
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Old July 10 2014, 03:53 AM   #950
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That was kind my line of thinking too, and the description for the issue is kind of vague, which is why I was wondering.
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Old July 10 2014, 06:00 AM   #951
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I'm almost certain that the announcement for this issue some months ago said that they would be visiting DS9 of their own timeline.
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Old July 10 2014, 07:32 AM   #952
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^No! Why does everyone keep thinking that? The Abramsverse Enterprise is visiting the prime reality!
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Old July 10 2014, 10:46 AM   #953
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^No! Why does everyone keep thinking that? The Abramsverse Enterprise is visiting the prime reality!
Perhaps minor points like the solicitation for the next issue:
Star Trek #36
Mike Johnson (w) • Tony Shasteen (a & c)
The epic Star Trek event of 2014 continues here, in Part 2 of The Q Gambit! Captain James T. Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise are thrust into the future of their new timeline thanks to the mysterious being known as Q. But in this alternate reality, what has become of the space station once known as Deep Space Nine… and the man called Benjamin Sisko? Don’t miss this all-new story developed in association with Star Trek writer/producer Roberto Orci!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
[Also, Q pretty much says it's what he's going to do during his conversation with Picard.]

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The opening scene with Q and Picard is in the Prime universe (or the Countdown version thereof), so I'm inclined to think it'll be the Prime DS9. I mean, remember, these comics have to fit around the movies and avoid doing anything that would conflict with them too much. Showing the future of the Abramsverse would run a huge risk of contradicting galaxy-changing events in later movies.
Pretty sure this is going to be a Bad Future Must Be Changed scenario anyway, based on this issue.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:03 PM   #954
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If the future of the Alternate Reality is visited, why does the DS9 cast look the same as always?

Or would Kirk Prime and Kirk 2, if they met, not notice they're played by different actors (so to speak)?
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Old July 10 2014, 02:11 PM   #955
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If the future of the Alternate Reality is visited, why does the DS9 cast look the same as always?

Or would Kirk Prime and Kirk 2, if they met, not notice they're played by different actors (so to speak)?
In the 2009 movie, Spock Prime recognized young Kirk and Scott on sight. They only look different to us because they've been recast, just like Saavik or Tora Ziyal. In-universe, they look the same.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:17 PM   #956
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I'm almost certain that the announcement for this issue some months ago said that they would be visiting DS9 of their own timeline.


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If the future of the Alternate Reality is visited, why does the DS9 cast look the same as always?

Or would Kirk Prime and Kirk 2, if they met, not notice they're played by different actors (so to speak)?
On the one hand, Spock Prime can recognize everyone in the movies. On the other hand, IDW has acknowledged in Countdown that Kirk looks different in the two timelines and in Mirrored that McCoy and Scotty do as well. Countdown can at least be explained being released before XI, and IDW went with the Kirk familiar to everyone. Mirrored is a bit harder to ignore, given they draw Abramsverse McCoy and Scotty being shadowed by their Prime selves.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:21 PM   #957
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I don't see how it could be the future of the Abramsverse. The likelihood that, in that timeline, any of the characters we're familiar with would even exist at all, would seem to be very low indeed.

Remember the butterfly effect. The existence of Abrams versions of characters like Sisko, Worf, Bashir, etc. is highly suspect - history would have diverged so much that they might never be born. There may not even be a DS9.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:22 PM   #958
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In that case, and given what Q says in the previews, it's most likely meant to be the future the Abramsverse will have unless some change is made to prevent it, i.e. the usual cautionary-glimpse-of-the-future trope seen in stories like "All Good Things..." or ENT: "Twilight" or the Terminator franchise: "This is the horrible future that will result if you don't prevent X from happening."
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Old July 10 2014, 06:47 PM   #959
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Perhaps minor points like the solicitation for the next issue:
Star Trek #36
Mike Johnson (w) • Tony Shasteen (a & c)
The epic Star Trek event of 2014 continues here, in Part 2 of The Q Gambit! Captain James T. Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise are thrust into the future of their new timeline thanks to the mysterious being known as Q. But in this alternate reality, what has become of the space station once known as Deep Space Nine… and the man called Benjamin Sisko? Don’t miss this all-new story developed in association with Star Trek writer/producer Roberto Orci!
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Thanks, that's exactly the quote that I meant!
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I don't see how it could be the future of the Abramsverse. The likelihood that, in that timeline, any of the characters we're familiar with would even exist at all, would seem to be very low indeed.

Remember the butterfly effect. The existence of Abrams versions of characters like Sisko, Worf, Bashir, etc. is highly suspect - history would have diverged so much that they might never be born. There may not even be a DS9.
If the butterfly effect was an issue, we also wouldn't have ended up with an Enterprise with the exact same cast of characters.
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