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Old May 19 2014, 04:16 AM   #811
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If this is indeed the 24th century of the Abramsverse, then I'm surprised that Roberto Orci and his film crew have let the comics go this far.
Well, it's very unlikely that this is going to cover material that future movie(s) will be doing, so it's relatively safe. And it's not like the movies would be beholden to the comics even if they do go that far.
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Old May 19 2014, 04:46 AM   #812
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If this is indeed the 24th century of the Abramsverse, then I'm surprised that Roberto Orci and his film crew have let the comics go this far.
Well, it's very unlikely that this is going to cover material that future movie(s) will be doing, so it's relatively safe. And it's not like the movies would be beholden to the comics even if they do go that far.
Hell it's not like TNG was beholden to the version of the future Q showed Picard in All Good Things, since one of the last things Generations did was take out the Enterprise-D and All Good Things was canon.
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Old May 19 2014, 12:07 PM   #813
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If this is indeed the 24th century of the Abramsverse, then I'm surprised that Roberto Orci and his film crew have let the comics go this far.
Well, it's very unlikely that this is going to cover material that future movie(s) will be doing, so it's relatively safe. And it's not like the movies would be beholden to the comics even if they do go that far.
Absolutely, I guess the stuff in the comics is stuff you WON'T see onscreen.

Many of you are hypothesizing this is Abramsverse DS9; even if this is so then still this comic looks very fanw**ky!! I still bet in this 6parter TNG/VOY characters will also be revisited.

Also it has been specified that the Q here IS the same one we saw on TV visiting a new universe.
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Old May 19 2014, 02:22 PM   #814
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Many of you are hypothesizing this is Abramsverse DS9; even if this is so then still this comic looks very fanw**ky!!
And this is a new thing for ST Ongoing how?
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Old May 19 2014, 02:49 PM   #815
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If this is indeed the 24th century of the Abramsverse, then I'm surprised that Roberto Orci and his film crew have let the comics go this far.
Not really that surprising. If anything, it implies to me anyway that the rumours are true and the Abramsverse is only planned as a trilogy of movies.

Or at the very least, we know that Trek XIII will have nothing to do with the 24th century, DS9 or Captain Sisko.

What is surprising about this is that supposedly IDW doesn't have the license to DS9 (they allowed it to expire after poor sales of their DS9 series a few years back). And while they have gotten around their licensing problems in the past in regards to using particular characters from shows they don't have a license to (like Voyager characters showing up in various TNG series) this sounds like a very serious involvement from a show they don't have a license to.

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Also it has been specified that the Q here IS the same one we saw on TV visiting a new universe.
Yes, that was made quite clear when the plot details for part 1. In fact according to this article:

Johnson also revealed that this will take place at the leading edge of Q's personal timeline, so all the Q adventures we already known from the prime-timeline have already occured from his point of view.
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Old May 19 2014, 10:15 PM   #816
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It just occurred to me that the part in the blurb about the Enterprise visiting a "new universe" and about Sisko must mean that Q is sending the Abramsverse Enterprise to the 24th century prime reality. So then does this mean that they'll directly link Countdown/Star Trek Online in this portrayal of the Star Trek multiverse? And will "The Q Gambit Part 2" be before or after 2387?

And another thought: I like the novels better than the comics but what if we're going to get an actual visual depiction of Ro aboard DS9?
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Old May 19 2014, 10:56 PM   #817
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It just occurred to me that the part in the blurb about the Enterprise visiting a "new universe" and about Sisko must mean that Q is sending the Abramsverse Enterprise to the 24th century prime reality. So then does this mean that they'll directly link Countdown/Star Trek Online in this portrayal of the Star Trek multiverse? And will "The Q Gambit Part 2" be before or after 2387?

And another thought: I like the novels better than the comics but what if we're going to get an actual visual depiction of Ro aboard DS9?
I do still think the same.
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Old May 20 2014, 12:12 AM   #818
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If it is the future of the Abramsverse, I suspect that it's Q's doing that such a version of Sisko even exists in the first place.

Given the 'butterfly effect' wrought by the changes to the timeline, the likelihood that any characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager (even Tuvok wasn't yet born when the timelines diverged) would ever exist in Abramsverse versions would seem to be rather low.
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Old May 20 2014, 02:53 AM   #819
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It just occurred to me that the part in the blurb about the Enterprise visiting a "new universe" and about Sisko must mean that Q is sending the Abramsverse Enterprise to the 24th century prime reality.
Not quite. The blurb says " In Star Trek #36, Kirk and the Enterprise crew are thrust into the future of their new timeline" which presumably refers to the Abramsverse. And the part which mentions Sisko "But in this alternate reality, what has become of the space station once known as Deep Space Nine... and the man called Benjamin Sisko?" would reinforce that it is set in the Abramsverse. After all, there's no way the Enterprise crew would know about DS9 or Sisko to care about looking him up in the Prime universe, which means this comic is presenting an Abramsverse DS9.
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Old May 20 2014, 09:18 AM   #820
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If it is the future of the Abramsverse, I suspect that it's Q's doing that such a version of Sisko even exists in the first place.

Given the 'butterfly effect' wrought by the changes to the timeline, the likelihood that any characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager (even Tuvok wasn't yet born when the timelines diverged) would ever exist in Abramsverse versions would seem to be rather low.
As we've seen in every alternate Trek history, the laws of magical comic book universes mean everyone's alternate will not only be alive, but be in a position analogous to their Prime counterparts. We even have freakishly similar events occurring across the multiverse - Kirk and Spock in the warp core or Tuvok and Kes or Seven in Voyager's Jeffries Tube would have to be drops in the bucket to justify the kind of stuff we've seen in the Mirror Universe and elsewhere.
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Old May 20 2014, 09:29 AM   #821
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So if they visit the JJTNG crew are we going to get something like this minus The Doctor

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ensign...e-11-358336529
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Old May 20 2014, 10:17 PM   #822
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If it is the future of the Abramsverse, I suspect that it's Q's doing that such a version of Sisko even exists in the first place.

Given the 'butterfly effect' wrought by the changes to the timeline, the likelihood that any characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager (even Tuvok wasn't yet born when the timelines diverged) would ever exist in Abramsverse versions would seem to be rather low.
As we've seen in every alternate Trek history, the laws of magical comic book universes mean everyone's alternate will not only be alive, but be in a position analogous to their Prime counterparts. We even have freakishly similar events occurring across the multiverse - Kirk and Spock in the warp core or Tuvok and Kes or Seven in Voyager's Jeffries Tube would have to be drops in the bucket to justify the kind of stuff we've seen in the Mirror Universe and elsewhere.
Point taken...
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Old May 20 2014, 10:45 PM   #823
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It just occurred to me that the part in the blurb about the Enterprise visiting a "new universe" and about Sisko must mean that Q is sending the Abramsverse Enterprise to the 24th century prime reality.
Not quite. The blurb says " In Star Trek #36, Kirk and the Enterprise crew are thrust into the future of their new timeline" which presumably refers to the Abramsverse.
But doesn't it mean new to the Enterprise? They already know their own timeline. And didn't a past article say something about a "familiar space station"?
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Old May 20 2014, 10:52 PM   #824
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Not quite. The blurb says " In Star Trek #36, Kirk and the Enterprise crew are thrust into the future of their new timeline" which presumably refers to the Abramsverse.
But doesn't it mean new to the Enterprise?
That's a conceivable interpretation, but by no means certain. The more obvious interpretation is that "their new timeline" means the timeline that they come from -- that is "theirs" -- and that's new to us because it was only created five years ago. It's unlikely that phrasing would be used to mean "a timeline that's new to them," unless whoever wrote that copy phrased it poorly.


And didn't a past article say something about a "familiar space station"?
Well, of course DS9 will be familiar to us in any timeline, just as Terok Nor was familiar in the Mirror Universe. "Familiar" just means reminiscent of something we know. Again, it could be read the way you're interpreting it, but that's hardly the only possibility. We won't know for sure until the comic comes out.
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This has been on my mind for a bit and some of the stuff from the comics has been backing it up. It can be argued that Abramsverse Chekov is a totally different person than Prime Chekov. He's a different age, is physically the most separate from his Prime counterpart, he has very different jobs than Prime Chekov (Ostensibly a TNG-esque Operations Officer, as opposed to Prime's Navigation/Weapons officer.) I also don't recall Chekov being considered a wunderkind in TOS. Granted, we really don't know much about Chekov in the series.

Which is to say that, while he's crafted to be the same as Prime Chekov, stuff they've done to get him on the Enterprise for the films and to give him a job that wouldn't leave him without anything to do, they've essentially grafted an old name onto a new person.
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