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Old July 18 2013, 12:24 AM   #421
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^That said, the tie-in licenses for each different aspect of Star Trek are generally acquired separately. A given licensee won't necessarily have the rights to every part of the franchise. For instance, Marvel's 1980 Trek comic was theoretically only allowed to use characters and concepts from ST:TMP and not from TOS itself, although they managed to slip TOS nods into the majority of issues anyway. DC had the TOS & TNG comics licenses c. 1993, but the DS9 license was acquired by Malibu (although the companies collaborated on a crossover). And for the most part, IDW and TokyoPop have only had the TOS and TNG licenses, though IDW did acquire the DS9 license for a time.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:56 AM   #422
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This talk of licenses brings up a question I was wondering about earlier today. Does a novel and/or comic license automatically include stuff from other publishers? I've been looking around at comics a lot lately, and I saw that IDW has been republishing comics from previous publishers, including DC Trek comics, Marvel. Is that normal, or would they have had to deal separately with the other publisher?
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Old July 19 2013, 01:17 PM   #423
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I've been looking around at comics a lot lately, and I saw that IDW has been republishing comics from previous publishers, including DC Trek comics, Marvel. Is that normal, or would they have had to deal separately with the other publisher?
The copyright on all of the novels and comics are assigned to Paramount and/or CBS. The current publisher would have to deal with the copyright holder, not the original publisher.
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Old July 19 2013, 01:33 PM   #424
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Indeed, I believe Dark Horse does something similar with old Marvel Star Wars comics.
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Old July 19 2013, 02:12 PM   #425
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I imagine it's all down to how the original agreements were worded. Dark Horse can publish pre-DH Star Wars comics, but Bantam seems to still have the rights to its old Star Wars novels. (And its old Star Treks I think, though I don't know the last time I actually saw a copy of The New Voyages in a bookstore.) On the other hand, when Del Rey got the Babylon 5 novel license, they republished a couple novels from the old publisher. In the Doctor Who world, BBC Books (an imprint of Random House) can't reprint a Doctor Who novel from Virgin without specifically getting the rights to it.
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Old July 19 2013, 03:34 PM   #426
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I imagine it's all down to how the original agreements were worded. Dark Horse can publish pre-DH Star Wars comics, but Bantam seems to still have the rights to its old Star Wars novels. (And its old Star Treks I think, though I don't know the last time I actually saw a copy of The New Voyages in a bookstore.)
Star Wars at Bantam a bit of an odd duck - Bantam was bought up by Random House (the current license holders) a few months before the switchover. So it could be that with the license they kept longer-term reprint rights (like seems to have happened with Trek), or it could just be the current license holder not paying to rebrand the next printing.

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In the Doctor Who world, BBC Books (an imprint of Random House) can't reprint a Doctor Who novel from Virgin without specifically getting the rights to it.
Those books are also copyrighted by the author, not the BBC, aren't they?
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Old July 19 2013, 03:41 PM   #427
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In the Doctor Who world, BBC Books (an imprint of Random House) can't reprint a Doctor Who novel from Virgin without specifically getting the rights to it.
Those books are also copyrighted by the author, not the BBC, aren't they?
My understanding of the subject is that once the BBC chose not to renew their license with Virgin, the rights to the books were passed to the individual authors. This is how Paul Cornell was able to grant permission for Big Finish to create the Benny Summerfield audios, he granted them permission to use his books and a few of the other authors gave their permission for their stories to be adapted.

IDW also holds some relationships with DC and Marvel and other publishers to do reprints of their material at IDW. In particular you have the Artist Editions, which are cans of the original art in portfolio sized collections.
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Old July 19 2013, 04:47 PM   #428
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In the Doctor Who world, BBC Books (an imprint of Random House) can't reprint a Doctor Who novel from Virgin without specifically getting the rights to it.
Those books are also copyrighted by the author, not the BBC, aren't they?
Oh, that's true.

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My understanding of the subject is that once the BBC chose not to renew their license with Virgin, the rights to the books were passed to the individual authors. This is how Paul Cornell was able to grant permission for Big Finish to create the Benny Summerfield audios, he granted them permission to use his books and a few of the other authors gave their permission for their stories to be adapted.
I think the authors have to get those rights back from Virgin; it doesn't happen automatically. Lance Parkin has mentioned this for his books, but I don't know the details. The early Benny audios, released when the novels were still being published, had to be approved by Paul Cornell and by Virgin.
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Old July 28 2013, 12:15 AM   #429
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#23. I liked the fix for the 'lost ones', necessarily superficial given the medium but still dealing with some biological consequences of the loss of Vulcan, and showing the Vulcans beginning to adapt. I wish they'd come up with some other way for Uhura to have impressed Spock, beating him at chess is so TOS Kirk, and the idea of him never having been beaten at chess until he played Uhura is silly IMO (how about at the age of 6 ??) but I liked the Uhura Spock interaction.

The upcoming Klingon / Romulan conflict looks fun.
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Old July 28 2013, 09:07 AM   #430
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I liked the story overall. The three issue format allowed them to add a bit more depth although they used that to add an ongoing sub-plot so the Vulcan element was very lightweight. The living in a volcano element was very silly because the artwork made it look unnecessarily over-hot, pushing Vulcan robustness too far but I did enjoy the spin they put on the story overall. I would like to see a 3-issue format focusing on one plot though.

Carol wasn't under or over-used and Chekov finally got his moment to contribute to the series - he is built up as the go-to guy for transporters alongside Scotty. It was nice to see the alien redshirt get a line but I also missed Zahra, Hendorff, Boma, and Rand. I do want to see more aliens (especially Andorians) but I also missed the semi-regulars. I hope they aren't going to drop them all (although I doubt Hendorff will be used until someone decides definitively if Hendorff is alive or dead) but mixing and matching the composition of the security teams with one off characters, some aliens, and build up more semi-regulars. They should also then be prepared to kill a regular occasionally like they did in NuBSG.

Still grumbly at the absence of T'Pau though. But as for the identity of the mysterious Section 31 spy, it looks as though they are deliberately disguising her race as well as her face but she has straight dark hair.

If they do re-imagine the Enemy Within, it makes more sense to use Carol now than Rand, which I have mixed feelings about, because I really wanted Rand to be given a moment to step out of the background but I can see why Carol makes more sense. But it looks like Arena might be the next story to get the treatment?
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Old July 28 2013, 11:46 AM   #431
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Clancy_s wrote: View Post
#23. I liked the fix for the 'lost ones', necessarily superficial given the medium but still dealing with some biological consequences of the loss of Vulcan, and showing the Vulcans beginning to adapt. I wish they'd come up with some other way for Uhura to have impressed Spock, beating him at chess is so TOS Kirk, and the idea of him never having been beaten at chess until he played Uhura is silly IMO (how about at the age of 6 ??) but I liked the Uhura Spock interaction.

The upcoming Klingon / Romulan conflict looks fun.
I agree about their resolution of the whole vulcan craziness
I did find it interesting and realistic that losing their home had many psychological and physical effects for those people. It also affected their traditions as well.
The whole idea that even if they have new vulcan they will never be able to completely replace the planet that had been their original home.


as for the S/U bit: I see it more as it being symbolic of the moment he realized he was in love, rather than just a moment where she impressed him (in the novels for example she did beat him at racquetball too lol)
It's fitting for him to use chess due to the history the character has with this game lol, the whole giving her the king-checkmate without the need to put a note and she got it and what he meant is cute and nerdy and in character. I like how the writers essentially empathized that they love each other but they kept Spock's side of it pretty in character. He has his own ways and Uhura seems to "translate" him.

yes, Kirk did beat him in tos (he didn't in the nutrek comics though ) but chess isn't a "Kirk thing", it's a Spock thing like the lyre .. it's one of those things that make you think about the character.
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Old July 28 2013, 09:58 PM   #432
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But it looks like Arena might be the next story to get the treatment?
I thought the video game was the Arena adaptation, and that issue 24 is a follow-up of the game?
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Old July 28 2013, 10:18 PM   #433
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I thought they'd pretty much moved away from actually adapting episodes and were instead doing new stories that drew on similar elements.
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Old July 29 2013, 12:28 PM   #434
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I believe Hendorff aka cup cake is dead. he died in STiD. Overall this issue starting from after darkness #21 was just a little bad.


Am hoping the gorn storyline will be better.
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I believe Hendorff aka cup cake is dead. he died in STiD.
He died in the novelization, but not shown as dying onscreen.
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