is "Into Darkness" Quinto's last as Spock?

[teacake]

I can only see, not interpret.

It's my hidden weakness.

SO TELL ME TELL ME WHAT DID THE ACTORS SAY.

Please.

[The Wormhole]

KingDaniel wrote:

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Apparently the rumour of Quinto leaving caused "a lot of problems at Bad Robot"

Of course it's caused problems for Bad Robot. It's making people talk about the movie, and Bad Robot can't stand that.

[Greg Cox]

teacake wrote:

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Everything I've read has been so subtle as to be invisible to my eyes. Have I missed anything real?

Fans often try to read too much into this stuff, especially where top-secret, high-profile, genre flicks are concerned.

"I saw so-and-so at a Starbucks yesterday and she had on green eye shadow. Ohmigod, she's playing an Orion!"

Within hours, the "news" that So-and-So is playing an Orion slave girl is all over the internet and will be treated as an article of faith for the next six months, and even listed on IMDB--until the next silly rumor comes around.

Meanwhile, Chris Pine keeps raving about how great Cumberbatch is and whatever, but apparently we're supposed to ignore that and read between the lines for bad news instead . . . .

'Cause predicting that upcoming movies are going to suck, often on the basis of little or no information, is apparently what the internet was invented for!

[serenitytrek1]

I don't know what is up with Quinto but it seems like he is not just happy.Unlike Chris Pine, Quinto hardly talks about the film.

[Sindatur]

You can't blame Spock for being jealous with the way Kirk keeps on and on about great Cumberbatch's Instrumet is. And that led to female fans suggestng we'll be really impressed by Cumberbatch when we see the whole package.

[Sindatur]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don't know what is up with Quinto but it seems like he is not just happy.Unlike Chris Pine, Quinto hardly talks about the film.

Maybe Quinto just isn't as skilled at talking for a half hour and saying nothing as Pine is or maybe he's busy with American Horror Story and not available

[Greg Cox]

Sindatur wrote:

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Maybe Quinto just isn't as skilled at talking for a half hour and saying nothing as Pine is or maybe he's busy with American Horror Story and not available

Remember, they're all under orders NOT to talk about the film too much. Maybe Quinto just thinks it's easier not to talk about the movie at all rather than watch his words all the time.

When I working on the DARK KNIGHT RISES novelization, I adopted a policy of total radio silence regarding the movie, even with friends and family. It was simply less stressful than constantly parsing my words and wondering what I was allowed to say about the movie. Didn't mean that I hated working on the book or thought it sucked or anything like that. I just decided early on that I wasn't going to talk about it, period, so I wouldn't accidentally slip up and reveal something I wasn't supposed to . . . .

Plus, some actors (and authors) just like talking about their work more than others. There are actors who love promoting their movies and dealing with the press, while there are other actors who would rather have a root canal. Doesn't mean the latter hate their films or have something to hide. They're just not into the dog-and-pony show aspect of the business. They're about the work, not the publicity.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Fans often try to read too much into this stuff, especially where top-secret, high-profile, genre flicks are concerned.

"I saw so-and-so at a Starbucks yesterday and she had on green eye shadow. Ohmigod, she's playing an Orion!"

Within hours, the "news" that So-and-So is playing an Orion slave girl is all over the internet and will be treated as an article of faith for the next six months, and even listed on IMDB--until the next silly rumor comes around.

The problem is, some of this "stuff" isn't that hard to read into. It's processing direct quotes. Everyone does that differently, and some don't do that at all, but most people do. When an actor says things like "... I don't feel particularly attached to what the outcome of that project will be," even if he starts out saying that he's "fulfilled," it just sounds a little lackluster. This is not seeing Zachary with a green bloodstain in a leaked behind-the-scenes set picture and then assuming something about it. It's a direct quote.

One, two, three of these, and it's easy to brush off as the actor being misunderstood. When it starts to become more of a regular occurrence, aka people getting the "wrong impression," then that's where I do think maybe something's up.

Part of it is the character he plays. Just about everybody loves Spock or knows Spock in some kind of way. Even non-Trek fans can associate Star Trek in general with things like Spock (aka "dude with the ears"), LLAP, the Vulcan hand sign, etc. Not to mention that Leonard Nimoy's Spock is probably the most iconic character in the history of the Star Trek franchise. I don't think that was the plan, but there you go. So, the torch that got passed to Zach is probably the biggest one. So, it's not a surprise that every time he says something about the character people are paying attention. And people will respond, one way or another, when it sounds like perhaps he's not happy playing the character anymore, especially when he did such a great job the first time.

Meanwhile, Chris Pine keeps raving about how great Cumberbatch is and whatever, but apparently we're supposed to ignore that and read between the lines for bad news instead . . . .

I didn't read anything bad in between the lines of that interview. It was just funny. The interview was probably funny for all of the wrong reasons, yes, but funny it was. And I'm not talking about the "Cumberbatch's instrument" part, which was mildly amusing. I like Chris, and I'm glad that he clarified in a more recent interview that JJ and co. aren't having any fun with the secrecy.

I would love it if Zachary really did have a nice time making the film and really does want to come back for the third one (contractually obligated or not) that he say that clearly and with no additional statements attached that seem to take back some of the enthusiasm. I know that he wants to do more with his production company and more behind the camera stuff, and I really hope that he gets what he wants with his career, whatever that is.

'Cause predicting that upcoming movies are going to suck, often on the basis of little or no information, is apparently what the internet was invented for!

I don't think anyone in this thread has made that prediction, and I think you are overreacting. Consequently, though, I do think that some hard-core Trek fans, not necessarily you, could here one of the main actors say flat-out "This movie is bad. Do not watch it," and they'd be like "That's subjective. "Bad" might not really mean what you think it means, and s/he's just putting his expertise in reverse psychology to good use by telling people not to see it. Now everyone will!" Spinning works both ways.

YMMV, of course.

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don't know what is up with Quinto but it seems like he is not just happy.Unlike Chris Pine, Quinto hardly talks about the film.

I don't have a problem with him hardly talking about the film, but my concern is the same as yours. He doesn't seem happy about/with it.

Sindatur wrote:

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Maybe Quinto just isn't as skilled at talking for a half hour and saying nothing as Pine is or maybe he's busy with American Horror Story and not available

That could be the case, but then that's why I do hope they have a coach do some practicing with them for interviews so that when the heavy press/promotional stuff starts they don't end up giving people the wrong impression(s).

[JarodRussell]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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That could be the case, but then that's why I do hope they have a coach do some practicing with them for interviews so that when the heavy press/promotional stuff starts they don't end up giving people the wrong impression(s).

Why? The only thing that matters is that you don't get the wrong impression(s).

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Remember, they're all under orders NOT to talk about the film too much. Maybe Quinto just thinks it's easier not to talk about the movie at all rather than watch his words all the time.

When I working on the DARK KNIGHT RISES novelization, I adopted a policy of total radio silence regarding the movie, even with friends and family. It was simply less stressful than constantly parsing my words and wondering what I was allowed to say about the movie. Didn't mean that I hated working on the book or thought it sucked or anything like that. I just decided early on that I wasn't going to talk about it, period, so I wouldn't accidentally slip up and reveal something I wasn't supposed to . . . .

Plus, some actors (and authors) just like talking about their work more than others. There are actors who love promoting their movies and dealing with the press, while there are other actors who would rather have a root canal. Doesn't mean the latter hate their films or have something to hide. They're just not into the dog-and-pony show aspect of the business. They're about the work, not the publicity.

I don't think anyone thinks that a "lack" of saying anything is the issue. Yelchin hasn't said a word and I don't see anybody complaining. The issue is what is said, how it's said, and how it can be taken. That's what may need some work, and that's why I think a team huddle with some coaching wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

JarodRussell wrote:

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Why? The only thing that matters is that you don't get the wrong impression(s).

Really? Seems like I wasn't alone. There were articles and discussions all over the place that seemed to have the "wrong impression." You don't have to look far. What thread are we posting in right here?

[serenitytrek1]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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Really? Seems like I wasn't alone. There were articles and discussions all over the place that seemed to have the "wrong impression." You don't have to look far. What thread are we posting in right here?

Speaking of Quinto, Dear spock/uhura fan have you read the recent issue of the latest star trek ongoing series? the one where Quinto is Photoshopped with a bread at the front cover?

I haven't fully read the issue as I just ordered it online but I have seen some previews and I can sadly tell you that mirror Uhura is total bitch, she dumps Spock in a most cruel way and runs off with Mirror Kirk who is perhaps a very evil person.

We all know how much Trek fans love the Mirror Universe so I hope you and other trek fans pick up this issue, so far it is receiving good reviews and the Art Work is stunning and its a way to keep Nu Trek fans occupied till May 2013.

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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Speaking of Quinto, Dear spock/uhura fan have you read the recent issue of the latest star trek ongoing series?the one where Quinto is Photoshopped with a bread at the front cover?






We all know how much Trek fans love the Mirror Universe so I hope you and other trek fans pick up this issue, so far it is receiving good reviews and the Art Work is stunning and its a way to keep Nu Trek fans ocuppied till may 2013

No, I haven't read the latest comic because I don't read them. There is a lady in the S/U community I'm a part of online that gives updates, but I haven't visited lately. Thank you for the information. Mirror Uhura dumping Mirror Spock for Mirror Kirk is fine with me so long as it doesn't happen in our AR timeline in the movies.

And by the way, I know you're new and it looks like maybe you don't know how to use the spoiler tags/button. Here's a link to a thread at the bottom of the forum that might help:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=194236

[M'Sharak]

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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<snip> I'd prefer that the actors at least seem optimistic that people might like these films, instead of the subtle hints and clues that the film is bad and making it was an unpleasant process. <snip>

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don't know what is up with Quinto but it seems like he is not just happy.

Maybe it's that I just wasn't paying attention at the right time, but I confess I really have no idea what either of you are talking about here. Do we have links to anything where Quinto or any other cast members have expressed unhappiness with any aspect of the production or production process?

Spock/Uhura Fan wrote:

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I like Chris, and I'm glad that he clarified in a more recent interview that JJ and co. aren't having any fun with the secrecy.

I'm not so sure Orci wouldn't mind having a little fun with the secrecy angle, but Abrams is pretty serious about not giving much away ahead of time; mystery is a big thing for him. Have you seen this yet?

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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have you read the recent issue of the latest star trek ongoing series?the one where Quinto is Photoshopped with a bread at the front cover?

I just spent five minutes ing at this mental image.