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Old November 18 2012, 12:42 AM   #16
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I'd say the Bond novels are rather amoral.
I didn't say amoral, I said morally ambiguous. Those are very different concepts. Ambiguity means uncertainty, lack of clarity, doubt about what the right answer is. If you're amoral, then you have no doubt or lack of clarity about a moral question; you just don't care.
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Old November 18 2012, 12:48 AM   #17
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I'd say the Bond novels are rather amoral.
I didn't say amoral, I said morally ambiguous. Those are very different concepts. Ambiguity means uncertainty, lack of clarity, doubt about what the right answer is. If you're amoral, then you have no doubt or lack of clarity about a moral question; you just don't care.
That's what I was getting at. The literary Bond is a blunt instrument largely untroubled by what he does, which isn't very nice.
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Old November 18 2012, 02:02 AM   #18
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^And my point is that Zero Sum Game is not like that, because Bashir is anything but untroubled by the moral compromises he's forced to make.
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Old November 18 2012, 09:42 AM   #19
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^And my point is that Zero Sum Game is not like that, because Bashir is anything but untroubled by the moral compromises he's forced to make.
True - he's not ideal for that sort of mission. I would be surprised if it didn't have some effect further down the line.
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Old November 18 2012, 12:39 PM   #20
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So in preparation to seeing Skyfall i just watched Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace this morning. What are some Trek novels that do the Bond thing? Looks like Cast No Shadow might fit that bill.
Espionage thriller is certainly what I had in mind when I was writing Cast No Shadow, but I'd say it's much more in the mode of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan novels than Fleming's Bond.

Una's excellent Hollow Men is totally Trek through a John le Carré lens, though, and well worth a read.
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Old November 18 2012, 05:25 PM   #21
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Been a while from I read it but IIRC the young Elias Vaughn came across a little Bond-ian in KRAD's The Art of The Impossible, though the novel is more in the vein of John LeCarre than Fleming.
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Old November 18 2012, 06:31 PM   #22
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the two Greg Cox Eugenics Wars novels. They basically are Bond crossed with sci fi.
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Old November 18 2012, 09:24 PM   #23
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the two Greg Cox Eugenics Wars novels. They basically are Bond crossed with sci fi.
With a heavy dose of Our Man Flint and The Avengers thrown in . . . .

(Steed and Emma, I mean, not Tony and Steve.)
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