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Old November 16 2012, 02:23 AM   #31
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What exactly was Leia "Princess" of after Grand Moff Tarkin frakked her homeworld?
If you think about it, technically speaking, if the reigning monarch and all of his/her heirs other than Leia were killed by the destruction of Alderaan, then she would thereafter have been the new Queen of Alderaan.

Assuming, of course, that the destruction of Alderaan does not legally constitute an abolition of the Alderaanian Monarchy, of course. Otherwise, she's just a pretender, no different from, say, Vittorio Emanuele.
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Old November 16 2012, 02:34 AM   #32
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That depends if Aalderan was more a physical entity or a legal entity underwritten by the Empire or the Senate.
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Old November 16 2012, 02:54 AM   #33
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That depends if Aalderan was more a physical entity or a legal entity underwritten by the Empire or the Senate.
A polity is by definition a legal entity, not a unit of geography. Polities have a distinct geographic territory, but they are not the same thing as their territory. That's why it's not, for instance, Chile -- it's the Republic of Chile. That's why it's not Nebraska, it's the State of Nebraska. That's why it's not Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That's why it's not Norway, it's the Kingdom of Normandy.
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Old November 16 2012, 04:35 AM   #34
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She could have been the princess of the entire star system, so the destruction of one measly planet shouldn't effect her legal standing...

Just talking out loud, but after you blow a planet up, shouldn't that make it easy to strip mine, since it would be insane if the "Empire" didn't already have the tech to efficiently mine an asteroid field....

Leasing mining rights would earn Leia a mint she could funnel straight back into the Rebellion and then underpin the New Republic.

Although, it's pretty clear that the Emperor would have absorbed Alderan's resources into the imperial treasury, just like how America seizes houses of the extended relatives of drug dealers.
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Old November 16 2012, 08:26 AM   #35
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Unless the asteroid field was declared by what was left of the Alderannians a memorial and mining it would be like digging up mass graves for gold fillings.
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Old November 16 2012, 08:30 AM   #36
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Unless the asteroid field was declared by what was left of the Alderannians a memorial and mining it would be like digging up mass graves for gold fillings.
But then of course African swallows are non-migratory.
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Old November 16 2012, 08:57 AM   #37
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This is not about coconuts, it's about RESPECT.
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Old November 16 2012, 09:16 AM   #38
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Legally, one would assume (probably retroactively) the Death Star is only allowed to strike against enemy camps.

Anyone still claiming loyalty to Aalderan is a traitor to the empire and likely will be shipped off to a concentration camp, which is step one towards 3 generations later when the future Imperial Citizens are utterly ignorant of Aalderan and all records have been redacted from the Imperial historical database...

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Old November 16 2012, 11:44 AM   #39
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Re: Would a black slaver or a concentration camp chief be controversia

Of course, there is going to be that one nut out there with a small ship and a bucket of glue; he'll have "Save the Planet" painted on the hull.
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Old November 17 2012, 03:01 AM   #40
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Whites enslaved blacks and Nazis killed whomever they felt like hating that week. Blacks also sold rival tribesmen (those they didn't slaughter) into slavery in the past and are currently slaughtering each other in places like the Sudan in ways just as cruel as those dreamed up by some Nazi camp commandant. White slavery has been a booming business in the Arab world for centuries. I would think it obvious that the color of one's skin is immaterial to the evil one can commit.

Attempting a "reversal" like this would only be controversial if you were ignorant of reality.

Since most people are, you might just have a critical hit on your hands.
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Old November 17 2012, 04:04 AM   #41
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PS I'm pretty sure that "subtle" is not right. There's plenty of subtlety in the denialism right now and importing it into a reversal would be both dreary and pointless.
I mostly meant in the sense of a subtle awareness of race issues (and the issues inherent in role reversal fiction) and incorporating them well.
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