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Old November 19 2012, 03:12 AM   #1
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Myth of the fake geek girl.

http://m.io9.com/5960885/the-myth-of...g=open-channel


Presents an interesting reason for the very vocal attacks against women/girls in many online "geek" communities of late.
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Old November 19 2012, 05:00 AM   #2
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

The John Scalzi article someone linked to in the comments is also really worth reading.

I really can't see anyone who's desperate to make "geekdom" so exclusive as anything but a hipster. And does anyone at all give a shit about hipster's opinions?

Discussions about "girl geeks" annoy the crap out of me. I don't want to be singled out for having a vagina. I just want to be left alone and free to pursue my interests in Star Trek or whatever like everyone with a dick is. That's it.
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Old November 19 2012, 05:01 AM   #3
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

You know, I read the article, and I don't even understand what the argument is. It seems like the author is more upset about the definition of the word "geek" than anything.
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Old November 19 2012, 05:29 AM   #4
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

they deserve it.
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Old November 19 2012, 05:44 AM   #5
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You know, I read the article, and I don't even understand what the argument is. It seems like the author is more upset about the definition of the word "geek" than anything.
Io9 is part of the gawker media empire. they have a vested interest in trying to milk as much money as possible out of nerd rage.
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Old November 19 2012, 06:28 AM   #6
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

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Discussions about "girl geeks" annoy the crap out of me. I don't want to be singled out for having a vagina. I just want to be left alone and free to pursue my interests in Star Trek or whatever like everyone with a dick is. That's it.
Quoted for emphasis.
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Old November 19 2012, 07:31 AM   #7
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they deserve it.
Excellent analysis, my dear boy!
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Old November 19 2012, 07:13 PM   #8
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

I'm so glad I read this. As a Real Geek Girl I had no idea I was supposed to be outraged.
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Old November 19 2012, 08:02 PM   #9
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

What I get from this is not anything wrong with geeks who happen to be girls--but rather just how insecure so many men are in their sexuality (or perhaps more accurately, insecure about others' perceptions of their sexuality). It is not perceived, in our society, as degrading the femininity of women for them to have "masculine" interests. But for a man to have any interest that happens to overlap with those of a woman...society immediately starts throwing around sexual slurs as though a) that guy can't be straight and b) if he isn't there's something wrong with him.

(Yeah, I know there are sometimes instances where women will get the same treatment, being accused of being lesbians because of "masculine" interests. But as a whole, I would say women are much less hung up about their sexuality, and more secure in it and accepting of others--whether gay or straight--than men.)

Add to that that you have more than a fair share of those who are generally insecure or immature socially, in the geek community, and it's not surprising to think that some of those insecure men would react as though it's territorial encroachment, for a woman to hold a combination of "geek" interests and "stereotypically female" interests.
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Old November 19 2012, 08:09 PM   #10
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

The author seems to create boxes and labels in the first portion of her essay, and then laments the creation of boxes and labels by the conclusion of her essay.

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I'm so glad I read this. As a Real Geek Girl I had no idea I was supposed to be outraged.
That, too. She talks about how the guys have to protect, almost ruthlessly, some modicum of masculinity, but I'm not seeing that anywhere. I guess you're supposed to be outraged, and I'm supposed to be desperately masculine? Honestly, I'm not sure what the author is trying to say here.
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Old November 19 2012, 08:11 PM   #11
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

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Honestly, I'm not sure what the author is trying to say here.
Exactly. I feel like there is some huge backstory that I'm missing.

I always thought guys liked geek girls. Especially hot ones with glasses.
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Old November 19 2012, 08:12 PM   #12
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

It was all worth the fact that I have now added "desperately masculin" to my personal phrasebook.
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Old November 19 2012, 10:02 PM   #13
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

Not that he needed it, but Scalzi's reply wins if only for the Lord of the Flies reference alone. Well said.
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Old November 19 2012, 10:12 PM   #14
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

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Honestly, I'm not sure what the author is trying to say here.
Exactly. I feel like there is some huge backstory that I'm missing.

I always thought guys liked geek girls. Especially hot ones with glasses.
Yeah. Not to be disgusting, but most of the geeks I know salivate at the prospect of a girlfriend who loves comics, sci-fi, and fantasy like they do. It's practically a match made in heaven!

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Old November 19 2012, 11:14 PM   #15
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Re: Myth of the fake geek girl.

Jemma Salume wins 'Best Commentary' on the latest "Fake Geek Girl" controversy.
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