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Old November 11 2012, 11:50 PM   #31
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Re: Species 8472: What were their motives?

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Old November 12 2012, 12:07 AM   #32
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Re: Species 8472: What were their motives?

I woke up this morning and face palmed.

"Game of frakking Thrones".

How the hell could I mess up that quote?

It's the name of the damn tv show.
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Old November 12 2012, 01:42 AM   #33
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Re: Species 8472: What were their motives?

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Well in Dr. Who they have gotten a lot of stories out of the Daleks, who hate all species besides themselves and want to kill them all.
The Daleks are inferior to the Doctor's tech and intelligence, and we've seen Daleks trashed by aluminum baseball bats. VOY's problem was that they were chronically UNDERPOWERED compared to everyone else.

Make the series about them forming a Delta Federation, then there's the power and influence to do big cool stories. Not so much with a series about a small scout ship a kick in the shins will blow up.
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Old November 12 2012, 03:04 AM   #34
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That was a gravametric baton they made from reconfiguring a aluminium bat with a stellar manipulator, a device usually used to create a controlled collapse of a star into a blackhole, to function as a stable power source like the eye of harmony.

The Hand of Omega.

Daleks are a lot more powerful these days.

Forcefields and flight.

They used to be scary, but now they're competent.
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Old November 12 2012, 06:59 AM   #35
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Could the Borg assimilate them? Would the exterminate mandate overrule the assimilate imperative or vice versa. Assimilate would have to take over or the assimilated dalek would begin exterminating the borg around it.
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Old November 12 2012, 07:55 AM   #36
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Re: Species 8472: What were their motives?

The Cybermen are owning the Borg in the TNG/Doctor Who comicbook crossover, and the Cybermen are a significantly less powerful force to contend with than the Daleks, but that's possibly because the Cybermen need to convert and the Daleks need to exterminate which are completely different invasion models.

Dalek's are one and all supergeniuses, but their personalities are predicated from the cradle to hate... Which probably means that with the right cheatcodes you can make then think and feel anything you want, which was proved convincingly earlier this year.

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Old November 12 2012, 08:26 AM   #37
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Maybe it's the hate that makes Species 8472 impossible to assimilate and not the biology.
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Old November 12 2012, 09:23 AM   #38
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Daleks, when at a loss for resources, have made Daleks out of Earthicans, and so did/do the Cybermen.

8472 on other hand were just faking it till they made it, so it must have been their deceit rather than their faux loathing that had the Borg think of them as such a bitter pill.
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Old November 12 2012, 09:47 AM   #39
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We never saw an example of the an assimilated non-humanoid species did we? 7 made a big deal about the Borg's failure to assimilate Species 8472 as if it spoke of their formidableness. Perhaps this was the propaganda the Borg told themselves to avoid the lack of perfection shame over only succeeding with one basic model.
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Old November 12 2012, 10:44 AM   #40
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A refresher...

EMH: I tried giving him a sedative, but it was rejected immediately. In fact, every treatment I've tried has been neutralised within seconds. These are alien cells. Each one contains more than a hundred times the DNA of a human cell. It's the most densely coded life form I've ever seen. Even I would need years to decipher it.
JANEWAY: They have an extraordinary immune response. Anything that penetrates the cell membrane, chemical, biological, technological, it's all instantly destroyed. That's why the Borg can't assimilate them.
EMH: Resistance in this case is far from futile. Nevertheless, I believe Borg technology holds the key to saving Mister Kim.
A new thing I find weird is that if the unnaturally dense state of 8472 is because they evolved in fluidic space, then why does the environment on their ships seem to be basically a oxygen/nitrogen mix much like our own?
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Old November 12 2012, 11:07 AM   #41
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I guess the Borg are so used to saying "you will adapt" that they are hampered if they have to.

As to the ships.. they didn't want the team in bulky suits? But an in universe explanation would be nice.
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Old November 12 2012, 11:21 AM   #42
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I wonder what would happen to Kim if we spaced him into fluidic space if it's the opposite of a vacuum?

Would he be crushed by the weight of the universe or shredded by the current?

Is fluidic space hot, cold poisonous?
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Old November 12 2012, 11:31 AM   #43
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They should have had Harry kissing the 8472, though on second thought that would have been old hat and I wouldn't have laughed myself silly at it like I did with Chak.

I don't know.. implosion?
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Old November 12 2012, 07:29 PM   #44
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Possibly?

I think he would be squeezed from all directions with billions of atmospheres of pressure until he's nothing but a nice shiny bouncy ball the size on a pinprick.

It's not hard to imagine Harry as a tiny prick.
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Old November 13 2012, 12:16 AM   #45
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I think you mean a tinier prick.
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