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Old November 10 2012, 07:04 AM   #1
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How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Kirk and Saavik are the only officers (in canon) whom we've seen take this supposedly no-win test.

Now we don't know if it still exists in the 24th Century (I assumed the Klingons would be replaced with some other hostile, territorial race).

I also tended to suspect this was a test for cadets focusing on command. Doesn't seem like there be much use in making med students, counselors, and science officer, most of whom probably aren't likely to command a starship under normal circumstances. Those in engineering or security, I suppose could go either way.

My question is how do you think Picard, Riker, Sisko, Janeway, etc. would handle this test?
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Old November 10 2012, 08:39 AM   #2
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Janeway would fire an enhanced multi phasic tachyon beam (rerouted through the deflector dish) at the hostiles but this would not work and everyone would die.
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Old November 10 2012, 11:10 AM   #3
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Picard would likely try to hail the hostiles to try and get them to stand down and then invite them over for tea.
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Old November 10 2012, 11:43 AM   #4
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

And they would all die.
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Old November 11 2012, 03:00 AM   #5
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

It seems the test does assume that the cadet is going to violate the Neutral Zone to save the Kobyashi Maru. It'd be somewhat amusing to have a very officious, cautious cadet (perhaps non-human) who says, "I'm sorry. Under no circumstances will I violate the Neutral Zone," and just decides to move on, the stranded ship and its crew be damned. I wonder which course of action is likely to be more frowned upon in the no-win scenario. Probably none of the captains we see would do that, of course--as Kirk says, risk is part of sitting in the chair. But Data in the early days of his sentience might be fairly "by the rules" in a way that even Saavik couldn't be, sense the natural emotional response is to save people in danger.

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Old November 11 2012, 03:06 AM   #6
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Picard would surrender, citing the Prime Directive.

And they would all die.

Sisko would kill everyone and then feel guilty about it.
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Old November 11 2012, 06:47 AM   #7
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

At some point during the Kobyashi Mura, right in the middle of the simulator room, Jonathon Archer would get beat up.

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Old November 11 2012, 09:03 AM   #8
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Picard would win the no-win scenario. How? By making it so.

Garak would lose the scenario and in disgrace drop out of the academy. Not till years later, running into him on Tzenketh where he was working as a cobbler, would you find out that in fact the dropping out was a cover. He had been tapped by one of the intelligence agencies after he'd revenged himself on the Kobayashi Maru test givers.

Harry Kim was slapped in the face by his teacher on the way though the door. Not since Jonathan Archer...oh never mind...I'm an asshole.
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Old November 11 2012, 09:13 AM   #9
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Janeway would flip the script by suddenly firing a spread of torpedos at the Kobayashi Maru. Blowing it up while she stays safe. That way nobody gets the stricken ship. By violating the Neutral Zone, they were law breakers anyway. Serves them right. Then she'd spend seven years returning to base. Stopping at every little insignificant place she could.
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Old November 11 2012, 10:08 AM   #10
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Janeway would flip the script by suddenly firing a spread of torpedos at the Kobayashi Maru. Blowing it up while she stays safe. That way nobody gets the stricken ship. By violating the Neutral Zone, they were law breakers anyway. Serves them right. Then she'd spend seven years returning to base. Stopping at every little insignificant place she could.
No. No one is allowed to beat it other than Kirk!!

Get with the mythology man.
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Old November 11 2012, 10:11 AM   #11
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Janeway would flip the script by suddenly firing a spread of torpedos at the Kobayashi Maru. Blowing it up while she stays safe. That way nobody gets the stricken ship. By violating the Neutral Zone, they were law breakers anyway. Serves them right. Then she'd spend seven years returning to base. Stopping at every little insignificant place she could.
That's what Calhoun did, from the New Frontier novels. Blew up the Maru, making sure they wouldn't fall into Romulan hands.
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Old November 11 2012, 12:10 PM   #12
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Enterprise *really* dropped the ball by not doing a Kobayashi Maru origin story, showing us Archer's Enterprise making the real rescue that inspired the test.

The post-series novels tried it (Archer retreated), but that book wasn't very good, and more interested in keeping continuity with 80's fan-made blueprints (where the Kobayashi Maru was an old refitted Klingon ship being used by human traders) than the series itself (where Human/Klingon first contact had only been a few years prior)
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Old November 11 2012, 04:39 PM   #13
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Enterprise *really* dropped the ball by not doing a Kobayashi Maru origin story, showing us Archer's Enterprise making the real rescue that inspired the test.
Only problem with that would be finding a "neutral zone" to violate. In ENT various species seem to have areas of space, but not well defined knife edged borders that you're not supposed to cross.

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Old November 11 2012, 05:14 PM   #14
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Janeway would flip the script by suddenly firing a spread of torpedos at the Kobayashi Maru. Blowing it up while she stays safe. That way nobody gets the stricken ship. By violating the Neutral Zone, they were law breakers anyway. Serves them right. Then she'd spend seven years returning to base. Stopping at every little insignificant place she could.
Actually I really could see Janeway firing torpedoes at the Kobayashi Maru.
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Old November 11 2012, 05:23 PM   #15
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Sisko would kill everyone and then feel guilty about it.
But if he had to do it all over again... he would.
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