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Old November 7 2012, 08:10 PM   #31
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Re: World War Z officially a train wreck

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I just thought I would ask y'know, because the arguments seem a little like complaining when phaser beams are the wrong colour or vampires sparkle in sunlight.
I have never seen a vampire sparkle in real life.
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Old November 7 2012, 09:18 PM   #32
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I like how walking dead handles them. The "fresh" zombies are faster than ones who have been around a while.
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Old November 7 2012, 09:38 PM   #33
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I just thought I would ask y'know, because the arguments seem a little like complaining when phaser beams are the wrong colour or vampires sparkle in sunlight.
This isn't an aesthetic difference.
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Old November 7 2012, 09:47 PM   #34
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I just thought I would ask y'know, because the arguments seem a little like complaining when phaser beams are the wrong colour or vampires sparkle in sunlight.
This isn't an aesthetic difference.
What isn't?
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Old November 7 2012, 09:48 PM   #35
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I just thought I would ask y'know, because the arguments seem a little like complaining when phaser beams are the wrong colour or vampires sparkle in sunlight.
This isn't an aesthetic difference.
It suits the story they want to tell. Zombies used to be creeping death, now they're a fast spreading pandemic. Things change.
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Old November 7 2012, 09:50 PM   #36
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I just thought I would ask y'know, because the arguments seem a little like complaining when phaser beams are the wrong colour or vampires sparkle in sunlight.
This isn't an aesthetic difference.
What isn't?
The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
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Old November 7 2012, 10:01 PM   #37
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The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
Depends on the story in the film doesn't it? There may very well be a reason for that within the film that you can't discern from a 40 second clip.
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Old November 7 2012, 10:14 PM   #38
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Depends on the story in the film doesn't it? There may very well be a reason for that within the film that you can't discern from a 40 second clip.
Or, it's a great visual teaser for the film but will have absolutely nothing to do with the actual plot other than Brad Pitt is in the film.
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Old November 7 2012, 10:28 PM   #39
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Still don't understand why that automatically makes it a train wreck, official or otherwise.
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Old November 7 2012, 10:31 PM   #40
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The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
Have you ever read Wet Work by Philip Nutman? It has zombies that are like that. Some of them are the standard slow shuffling Romero type, some are the fast Zack Snyder type, and some of them retain all of their intelligence and personality and (hunger for living flesh notwithstanding) are basically indistinguishable from the living. They can think, talk, drive cars, put on new clothes, organize ambushes using guns, etc. Those smart zombies even take over the government, and rename it the United States of Hell...
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Old November 7 2012, 10:36 PM   #41
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Still don't understand why that automatically makes it a train wreck, official or otherwise.
A general comparison likely to the Walking Dead, it's huge popularity and also there has been so much bad press about this film thus far.
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Old November 7 2012, 11:14 PM   #42
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I'm a huge fan of the fast zombies from 28 Days Later and the Dawn remake... but yeah, the zombies in that clip are just moving way too ridiculously fast.

Kinda reminds me of something from the Mummy movies.
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Old November 7 2012, 11:16 PM   #43
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The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
Have you ever read Wet Work by Philip Nutman? It has zombies that are like that. Some of them are the standard slow shuffling Romero type, some are the fast Zack Snyder type, and some of them retain all of their intelligence and personality and (hunger for living flesh notwithstanding) are basically indistinguishable from the living. They can think, talk, drive cars, put on new clothes, organize ambushes using guns, etc. Those smart zombies even take over the government, and rename it the United States of Hell...
Calling something a zombie, doesn't make it so. Whether they be slow and shuffling, or fast and aggressive, risen from the grave, infected with an exotic contagion or ensorcelled by a Voodoo witchdoctor; a zombie's inherent mindlessness has consistently been it's defining characteristic.

What you're describing is more along the lines of the classic pulp cannibalistic mutant. A modern interpretation of the old cultural fear of the savage. A human threat, not a monster in human form.

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Old November 7 2012, 11:17 PM   #44
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The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
Have you ever read Wet Work by Philip Nutman? It has zombies that are like that. Some of them are the standard slow shuffling Romero type, some are the fast Zack Snyder type, and some of them retain all of their intelligence and personality and (hunger for living flesh notwithstanding) are basically indistinguishable from the living. They can think, talk, drive cars, put on new clothes, organize ambushes using guns, etc. Those smart zombies even take over the government, and rename it the United States of Hell...
Nope, haven't read it, but, smart Zombies (Even Bud from Day of the Dead, who barely has any smarts) have never appealed to me, other than in Fido where they are used comedically as slaves. I personally didn't say this movie is officially a train wreck because of the smart Zombies, but, the more information that comes out, the more concerned I am this isn't a movie I'm interested in.

Sterotypically, when someone is walking around half dazed and unable to think (Haven't had their first cup of coffee, not a morning person and takes thm a cople hours to wake up...) people are referred to as Zombies, not because they are trying to eat you, but, because they are aren't thinking, so, it is definitely accepted as a defining characteristic of a Zombie to be unthinking
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Old November 7 2012, 11:23 PM   #45
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The Zombie behavior in that clip appears to suggest them working together strategically as a group, which would inolve the Zombies being intelligent. Intelligent Zombies using strategy, goes overboard for some of us. Zombies should be driven by hunger and instinct, and without the ability to strategize
Actually, I can think of a scenario where that would be justified. If the zombies were animated by a virus or nanotech that operates as a collective organism to run an individual body, then they could theoretically communicate between bodies and a group of zombies could operate as one organism. I don't think that approach would be appropriate for World War Z, but it would be an interesting idea to pursue in another venue.
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