The escape of Khan?

Gil T.Azell · November 7 2012, 06:56 AM

Interesting?

Sorry if this has been posted before I just rand across it.

Mytran · November 7 2012, 02:30 PM

NIce piece of animation - but why were there several pods missing from the BB even upon its launch? Makes for a lopsided looking rocket!

Gil T.Azell · November 7 2012, 03:36 PM

Mytran wrote:

NIce piece of animation - but why were there several pods missing from the BB even upon its launch? Makes for a lopsided looking rocket!

I missed that, nice catch, maybe they were rushed?

therealsb63 · November 7 2012, 04:15 PM

Found this a while back too, interesting piece...would even fit in with Greg Cox's Khan novels...

BillJ · November 7 2012, 04:29 PM

therealsb63 wrote:

Found this a while back too, interesting piece...would even fit in with Greg Cox's Khan novels...

Isn't the information lifted straight from Greg Cox's books?

therealsb63 · November 7 2012, 05:02 PM

I went back and checked my post of it over at STL, yes, the info is indeed from Cox's books.

SchwEnt · November 7 2012, 07:50 PM

That's pretty good stuff to see. I will nitpick about the scale. If the boosters are STS-type SRBs, then the Botany Bay itself should be much larger. A size and scale issue.

I'll also add that I like to see other variations of the DY-100. We often see it as the Botany Bay (the only one we ever saw) but as MJ designed it, the DY-100 isn't just the one configuration we frequently see.

There's the stripped-down bare vessel itself. But there are also the cargo pods, which make it a sort of spacefaring container ship. We can have full load with multiple pods, or a partial load, as seen on the Botany Bay. Many variations of DY-100 rather than the sole example. I like to see it changed up.

Timo · November 7 2012, 08:01 PM

When the Okudas photoshopped a launch pic for the Chronology, they used this just-five-containers-out-of-sixteen configuration. The episode "Future's End" then showed that photograph on screen, and featured the five-container launch configuration as a desktop model:

http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...esend1_136.jpg
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...esend1_156.jpg

This sort of defends such use in the video, too. One would also suppose neither the photograph nor the model actually depict Botany Bay, but rather a generic DY-100, meaning the launch configuration would not be unique to Khan's ship.

But yeah, I'd like to see other container configurations on screen, too. The older edition of the Chronology showed a 24-container configuration, but that was on a stretched model with three rather than two container rings, plus some strapped-on spherical containers as well... AFAIK, this model (or just a photomanip?) never appeared anywhere on screen.

Timo Saloniemi

bbailey861 · November 7 2012, 08:10 PM

No, I've never seen this one before. It's always nice to have something new brought to my attention. Thanks for posting.

Gary7 · November 9 2012, 07:04 AM

Nice animation, but ridiculous concept. Aerodynamics strongly dictate success and failure, and what they show launched... never would have made it into orbit.

Timo · November 9 2012, 09:47 AM

Well, if those are classic STS boosters, there's plenty enough power in six of them to go fairly slowly for the first thirty kilometers or so, reducing the aerodynamical stresses at launch big time.

The pointed nose of the ship itself does suggest it was supposed to be launched from Earth's surface. It's just that those containers were probably intended to only be attached in space...

Timo Saloniemi

November 7 2012, 06:56 AM	#1
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November 7 2012, 02:30 PM	#2
Mytran Fleet Captain Location: Llandudno	Re: The escape of Khan? NIce piece of animation - but why were there several pods missing from the BB even upon its launch? Makes for a lopsided looking rocket!

November 7 2012, 04:15 PM	#4
therealsb63 Lieutenant Location: Southern CT, USA	Re: The escape of Khan? Found this a while back too, interesting piece...would even fit in with Greg Cox's Khan novels... __________________ Never keep a Vulcan waiting...I am the real starbase63...accept no substitutes.

November 7 2012, 05:02 PM	#6
therealsb63 Lieutenant Location: Southern CT, USA	Re: The escape of Khan? I went back and checked my post of it over at STL, yes, the info is indeed from Cox's books. __________________ Never keep a Vulcan waiting...I am the real starbase63...accept no substitutes.

November 7 2012, 07:50 PM	#7
SchwEnt Fleet Captain	Re: The escape of Khan? That's pretty good stuff to see. I will nitpick about the scale. If the boosters are STS-type SRBs, then the Botany Bay itself should be much larger. A size and scale issue. I'll also add that I like to see other variations of the DY-100. We often see it as the Botany Bay (the only one we ever saw) but as MJ designed it, the DY-100 isn't just the one configuration we frequently see. There's the stripped-down bare vessel itself. But there are also the cargo pods, which make it a sort of spacefaring container ship. We can have full load with multiple pods, or a partial load, as seen on the Botany Bay. Many variations of DY-100 rather than the sole example. I like to see it changed up.

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November 7 2012, 08:01 PM	#8
Timo Admiral	Re: The escape of Khan? When the Okudas photoshopped a launch pic for the Chronology, they used this just-five-containers-out-of-sixteen configuration. The episode "Future's End" then showed that photograph on screen, and featured the five-container launch configuration as a desktop model: http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...esend1_136.jpg http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...esend1_156.jpg This sort of defends such use in the video, too. One would also suppose neither the photograph nor the model actually depict Botany Bay, but rather a generic DY-100, meaning the launch configuration would not be unique to Khan's ship. But yeah, I'd like to see other container configurations on screen, too. The older edition of the Chronology showed a 24-container configuration, but that was on a stretched model with three rather than two container rings, plus some strapped-on spherical containers as well... AFAIK, this model (or just a photomanip?) never appeared anywhere on screen. Timo Saloniemi

November 7 2012, 08:10 PM	#9
bbailey861 Vice Admiral Location: Kingston, ON	Re: The escape of Khan? No, I've never seen this one before. It's always nice to have something new brought to my attention. Thanks for posting.

November 9 2012, 07:04 AM	#10
Gary7 Rear Admiral Location: Near Manhattan ··· in an alternate reality	Re: The escape of Khan? Nice animation, but ridiculous concept. Aerodynamics strongly dictate success and failure, and what they show launched... never would have made it into orbit. __________________ Remembering Ensign Mallory.

November 9 2012, 09:47 AM	#11
Timo Admiral	Re: The escape of Khan? Well, if those are classic STS boosters, there's plenty enough power in six of them to go fairly slowly for the first thirty kilometers or so, reducing the aerodynamical stresses at launch big time. The pointed nose of the ship itself does suggest it was supposed to be launched from Earth's surface. It's just that those containers were probably intended to only be attached in space... Timo Saloniemi