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Old June 21 2013, 10:10 PM   #466
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

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^I just posted my design sketch as part of my latest site update. Here's a direct link:

http://home.fuse.net/ChristopherLBen...etUniform1.jpg

Apologies for the crude artwork, but it's just about getting the idea across. I was hoping the cover artist might do something based on this sketch, but no such luck.
I like those designs very much. Especially find your interpretation of the various "chest" insignia. It makes a lot of sense to me.
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Old June 21 2013, 10:44 PM   #467
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I figured the early Starfleet was like the European Space Agency, in which each nation retains its own individual space administration but they all contribute resources, personnel, funding, etc. to the overall ESA.
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Old June 21 2013, 10:49 PM   #468
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I figured the early Starfleet was like the European Space Agency, in which each nation retains its own individual space administration but they all contribute resources, personnel, funding, etc. to the overall ESA.
That sounds entirely reasonable, and somewhat mirrors what I recall about how Star Fleet was established from the Articles of the Federation that appeared in the Franz Joseph Star Fleet Technical Manual.

Looking forward to reading your book next week.
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Old June 21 2013, 10:52 PM   #469
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Looks nice, thank you for posting it. And what can you tell us about the enlisted personnel ranks?
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Old June 21 2013, 10:58 PM   #470
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And what can you tell us about the enlisted personnel ranks?
Umm... I never really got around to figuring that out. Maybe some kind of symbols on the shoulder strap/epaulets, like the TMP uniforms?
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Old June 21 2013, 11:03 PM   #471
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And what can you tell us about the enlisted personnel ranks?
Umm... I never really got around to figuring that out. Maybe some kind of symbols on the shoulder strap/epaulets, like the TMP uniforms?
Something for the next book or two ?
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Old June 21 2013, 11:03 PM   #472
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And what can you tell us about the enlisted personnel ranks?
Umm... I never really got around to figuring that out. Maybe some kind of symbols on the shoulder strap/epaulets, like the TMP uniforms?
How about taking the style of the enlisted insignia seen in ENT (on Cutler, for example), but making them somewhat larger patches that are worn on the sleeve opposite of the mission patch?
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Old June 21 2013, 11:07 PM   #473
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^No, I want that sleeve bare because the chest insignia's on that side and I don't want it too cluttered. The shoulder straps make more sense, since they already have rank stripes.

Besides, the point of the new design is that this is the Federation Starfleet, not just the Earth Starfleet. The ENT-style enlisted rating patches had the UESPA arrowhead in them, which doesn't work for the combined fleet.
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Old June 21 2013, 11:13 PM   #474
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Maybe V shaped lines on the sleeve with a different color, perhaps silver.
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Old June 21 2013, 11:14 PM   #475
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Okay. Shoulder tabs would work as well as sleeve insignia. IMO, the enlisted insignia should be in a different location from the officer's cuff-rings in any case.

How about replacing the delta/arrow with the stylized star (as seen in the UESPA, Andorian, and Centauri patches in your drawing), like this artist did: http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topi...-Rates-Concept

He shows them as sleeve insignia, but like I said, they would probably look just as sharp on shoulder tabs, ala TMP.
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Old June 22 2013, 12:12 AM   #476
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Maybe there isn't any enlisted personnel. What would you need it for anyway when there's Starfleet Academy producing officers in just four years? It also depends how the other founding members handled it in their military services.
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Old June 22 2013, 12:23 AM   #477
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There were enlisted personnel in ENT, and there were enlisted personnel in TOS. Since I'm in between those, I see no reason not to have enlisted personnel. And there are at least one or two of them mentioned in ACOF; I just didn't think to figure out what their insignias would look like.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:01 AM   #478
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Maybe there isn't any enlisted personnel. What would you need it for anyway when there's Starfleet Academy producing officers in just four years? It also depends how the other founding members handled it in their military services.
That really doesn't make any sense. The U.S. Navy has enlisted personnel and our Naval Academy produces officers in 4 years as well.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:05 AM   #479
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^I just posted my design sketch as part of my latest site update. Here's a direct link:

http://home.fuse.net/ChristopherLBen...etUniform1.jpg

Apologies for the crude artwork, but it's just about getting the idea across. I was hoping the cover artist might do something based on this sketch, but no such luck.
Oh I like that, very nice in-between design, which, pleasingly, feels most strongly like the Kelvin uniform; the way the piping goes across, and the slightly muted colours. I like where you're going with the explanation for the different insignias too.
Yeah, the uniform looks great, along with the explanation of the colors! But I'm especially excited about the insignia patches– that's brilliant.
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Old June 22 2013, 11:33 AM   #480
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I kmow its a little earthy, but you could put on the epaulets, some thing like in the 2260s:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Fe...ks_%282260s%29

And leave the sleeves bare.
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