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Old November 4 2012, 01:17 AM   #61
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Re: Impact on Star Trek as Disney reboot Star Wars.

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Star Wars Episode VII will have no impact on Star Trek Into Darkness but I think it could have an impact on Star Trek XIII. "Could" being the operative word.

Part of the success of Star Trek's reboot was to make it more like Star Wars. Now that Star Wars is coming back, Star Trek will look like the old toy and there will be a comparison. BUT, Star Trek will be established with two out of three movies already out. There might not be an affect on its box office. If ST XIII underperforms, or is critically panned, it's just as likely to be blamed on being a "Part 3" as it would be to suffering in comparison to Star Wars.

After ST XIII, Star Trek's future was already wide open to begin with. Star Wars will only provide them with a compass. ST will likely zig where SW zags to avoid looking like an immitation and to better set itself apart to stand on its own.
I mostly agree, but then, there is always the chance that SW7 will suck targ balls. Whatever story they come up with, it'll be a challenge to make a new movie properly epic without undoing the victory of the Battle of Endor or introducing a generic even bigger threat!, both of which could feel quite cheap. One reason the Thrawn trilogy works so well is that the stakes are gradually raised, via the Katana Fleet and new clones, both introduced in the second volume, but that'd be a hard trick to pull off in a new movie that, post-prequels, people will bring a definite "let's see what you've got" attitude towards. And a merely "meh" SW7 could seriously tarnish the brand, erasing the luster that Lucas' (apparent) recusal has conferred.

In short, let's see what SW7 is like before panicking. But I do agree that this puts added pressure on Trek XII to deliver.
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Old November 4 2012, 05:56 AM   #62
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even bigger threat!,
Please please NO. So many great small stories there, so much world building you could do. Can we, for once, not save the galaxy?
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Old November 4 2012, 12:57 PM   #63
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even bigger threat!,
Please please NO. So many great small stories there, so much world building you could do. Can we, for once, not save the galaxy?
Amen!

Though Insurrection tried going that route and sucked major ass.
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Old November 4 2012, 01:13 PM   #64
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Just because it's a small story doesn't mean it has to be a bloated television episode
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Old November 4 2012, 05:22 PM   #65
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even bigger threat!,
Please please NO. So many great small stories there, so much world building you could do. Can we, for once, not save the galaxy?
I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. When reviving a franchise, the temptation to ENDANGER EVERYTHING seems to be pretty strong. See: Temporal Cold War, Nero, Clu, Prometheus...
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Old November 4 2012, 10:15 PM   #66
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I'm so sick of saving the galaxy. I find so much of treklit ridiculous because of this.

And with Star Wars you can just tell the story of a Jedi and his training and struggles, set it somewhere very interesting you may use in the next movie.
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Old November 6 2012, 08:15 PM   #67
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If Luke et al do get recast, then angry Star Wars fans will be blaming Star Trek for setting a bad example.

I mostly agree, but then, there is always the chance that SW7 will suck targ balls. Whatever story they come up with, it'll be a challenge to make a new movie properly epic without undoing the victory of the Battle of Endor or introducing a generic even bigger threat!, both of which could feel quite cheap.
The Star Wars movies will be made for casual fans who don't remember what the Battle of Endor was. And they won't have anything to do with the Thrawn novels, they will be new stories.
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Old November 6 2012, 10:47 PM   #68
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The Star Wars movies will be made for casual fans who don't remember what the Battle of Endor was.
You keep making the mistake of assuming that Star Wars is as unknown and held with as little regard in the public consciousness as Star Trek is. It's not. Even the "casual fans" know what the Battle of Endor was.
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Old November 7 2012, 12:13 AM   #69
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The Star Wars movies will be made for casual fans who don't remember what the Battle of Endor was.
You keep making the mistake of assuming that Star Wars is as unknown and held with as little regard in the public consciousness as Star Trek is. It's not. Even the "casual fans" know what the Battle of Endor was.
That would be ROTJ, The Wookie War...er...I mean the Teddy Bear War, right?
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Old November 7 2012, 12:15 AM   #70
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even bigger threat!,
Please please NO. So many great small stories there, so much world building you could do. Can we, for once, not save the galaxy?
I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. When reviving a franchise, the temptation to ENDANGER EVERYTHING seems to be pretty strong. See: Temporal Cold War, Nero, Clu, Prometheus...
If you don't raise the stakes for a movie, you get a very boring plot like Star Trek Insurrection.

Many people would reject that.
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Old November 7 2012, 03:31 AM   #71
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The Star Wars movies will be made for casual fans who don't remember what the Battle of Endor was.
You keep making the mistake of assuming that Star Wars is as unknown and held with as little regard in the public consciousness as Star Trek is. It's not. Even the "casual fans" know what the Battle of Endor was.
It was when the Care Bears saved the universe.
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Old November 7 2012, 05:05 AM   #72
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They're not really Care Bears. They roast people over fires and eat them.
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Old November 8 2012, 02:42 AM   #73
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They were just teasing.
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Old November 8 2012, 02:48 AM   #74
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Even the "casual fans" know what the Battle of Endor was.
I've seen all 6 SW movies twice, and the Family Guy OT parodies, and I don't
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Old November 8 2012, 03:01 AM   #75
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Seriously? Battle of Endor = big space battle in Return of the Jedi.
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