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Old November 22 2012, 05:13 PM   #106
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Re: So we're undoing Indistinguishable from magic?

^ Based on the answer I got to my question, it sounds like the TNG ongoing narrative goes directly from PoD to TPoM, though, which does screw over PoN and RtD.
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Old November 22 2012, 05:19 PM   #107
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So it's generally best to accept that what we see or read in Trek is an interpretation of events and is subject to imprecision, and not get too concerned about every last detail.
And the same thing can be said of the filmed material anyway. They mess up a little no less than you guys. It happens, no big deal.
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Old November 22 2012, 05:29 PM   #108
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^ Based on the answer I got to my question, it sounds like the TNG ongoing narrative goes directly from PoD to TPoM, though, which does screw over PoN and RtD.
What? That's not true at all. Paths of Disharmony ends in late October 2382. The main story of The Persistence of Memory begins in January 2384! That's a gap of fourteen months! Which, by the way, includes the events of The Struggle Within as well. The bulk of PoN/RtD fills in that gap, with RtD ending in October '83.

The answer you were given, as I recall it, was that PoD and TPoM were consistent with one another in terms of Geordi's character progression. Nothing was said about them immediately following one another.
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Old November 22 2012, 05:44 PM   #109
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Christopher: The intent of my question was to find out if TPoM just doesn't mention anything that happened in IFM or if the book puts Geordi back exactly where he was at the end of PoD (chronological in-universe interval aside), which is why I phrased it the way I did. I used PoD as my reference because I haven't read your book. The answer I got indicates that the latter scenario is what happened, which does have a ripple effect on PoN/RtD.
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Old November 22 2012, 05:52 PM   #110
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^You're reading too much into it. Remember, in PoN/RtD, Geordi was back where he'd been at the end of PoD. His stint on the Challenger was referenced, but he was still back at commander's rank aboard the Enterprise. And there's exactly zero mention of Leah Brahms in PoN/RtD. So there isn't any major conflict between that duology and Dave's trilogy, except that one makes a passing reference to the events of IFM and the other doesn't.
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Old November 22 2012, 05:56 PM   #111
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Ok. That sounds like the first scenario rather than the second, which changes my perception of things considerably.
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Old November 22 2012, 06:05 PM   #112
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Re: So we're undoing Indistinguishable from magic?

Well, it's both. Geordi is back where he was before, but that was established in Plagues of Night already.
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Old November 22 2012, 07:28 PM   #113
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Looks like I'll have to ignore this new trilogy and hope that future books don't screw over the wider novel continuity any further.
That's your choice of course, but I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice. First, because the first book was a great read; second, because I think it's more likely that future novels will follow on Cold Equations than disregard other continuity (or restore IfM, for that matter).

I absolutely loved Indistinguishable from Magic, and I hate to see that chapter of the "ongoing" Trek story disregarded as well, but sadly that's the risk that comes with tie-in stories. And really, it's not like the story of Cold Equations is all about ignoring or undoing Indistinguishable from Magic; it tells a great story about about something completely different, it's just that the elements concerning Geordi don't match.

Read it and decide for yourself.
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Old November 22 2012, 07:32 PM   #114
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^You're reading too much into it. Remember, in PoN/RtD, Geordi was back where he'd been at the end of PoD. His stint on the Challenger was referenced, but he was still back at commander's rank aboard the Enterprise. And there's exactly zero mention of Leah Brahms in PoN/RtD. So there isn't any major conflict between that duology and Dave's trilogy, except that one makes a passing reference to the events of IFM and the other doesn't.
It may not be explicitly stated, but Geordi's stint on the Challenger and promotion to Captain of Engineering, replacing Captain of Engineering Scotty infers that that part of the story took place too.

What we are left with is :

Some of it did happen.
Some of it might have happened.
Only a small part of it definitely didn't happen.

Chucking it out of continuity hardly seems worth the effort !
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Old November 22 2012, 07:47 PM   #115
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^ ^ You're over-thinking this.

Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that apparently the differences in continuity between IFM and the other novels are apparently enough that new books are not making an effort to stay consistent or justify inconsistencies, but I also think we the fans don't have to worry about that editorial directive. There's really nothing stopping us from saying, "As far as I'm concerned, it happened, or at least the gist of it happened."
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Old November 22 2012, 07:49 PM   #116
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If Leah ever turns up again in a new TNG book, there might be some 'xplaining to do.
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Old November 22 2012, 08:09 PM   #117
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^ ^ You're over-thinking this.

Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that apparently the differences in continuity between IFM and the other novels are apparently enough that new books are not making an effort to stay consistent or justify inconsistencies, but I also think we the fans don't have to worry about that editorial directive. There's really nothing stopping us from saying, "As far as I'm concerned, it happened, or at least the gist of it happened."
True - I suppose I'm currently at 'it didn't work out with Leah, Nog was on temporary secondment, Scotty pulled off one of his miracles (unless he doesn't turn up again), Reg is probably back in the Voyager fleet and Guinan - who knows'. However, this could all change depending on future novels.

Surely S & S could have done that though...
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Old November 22 2012, 09:14 PM   #118
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Yeah. It DOES bug the hell out of me that IFM could have been kept in continuity with the addition of MAYBE a paragraph or two explaination in the new trilogy It just seems stupid.

As a side note I DO urge people to read Mack's new trillogy. It is quite good, even if I'm PO'ed over the editorial decisions.
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Old November 22 2012, 11:55 PM   #119
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I think the things I find most frustrating about all of this is the treatment of Geordi, and David McIntee. Geordi has been one of my favorite characters in TNG for a long time and I was really happy when I heard that IFM was Geordi-centric and actually gave him some real development. Now with no warning they've just decided to ignore the book because they apparently didn't like some of the stuff that they approved of at the time. It just seems to me like there could have been a better way to handle this just ignore the book. Then there's the way they've treated Mr. McIntee, it just seems kind of rude to me to make all of these new decisions about his book without informing him, or seeking some kind of input from him.
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Old November 23 2012, 12:02 AM   #120
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I think the things I find most frustrating about all of this is the treatment of Geordi, and David McIntee. Geordi has been one of my favorite characters in TNG for a long time and I was really happy when I heard that IFM was Geordi-centric and actually gave him some real development. Now with no warning they've just decided to ignore the book because they apparently didn't like some of the stuff that they approved of at the time. It just seems to me like there could have been a better way to handle this just ignore the book. Then there's the way they've treated Mr. McIntee, it just seems kind of rude to me to make all of these new decisions about his book without informing him, or seeking some kind of input from him.
It's not just stuff that they approved. They ASKED FOR most of it.
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