Original Lord of the Rings films? - Page 2

Alidar Jarok · October 28 2012, 08:15 PM

Gaith wrote:

Ahem.

I would love it, but the scale is so different. It truly builds up to a great finish with The High King and the Black Cauldron is great, but some of the stories are relatively small in scale, especially The Book of Three.

inflatabledalek · October 28 2012, 08:27 PM

Well, in order to drag out The Hobbit to three full length films they're going to have be be adding lots, and lots, and lots of new stuff. Whether it's been created especially for the films or taken from Tolkein Jr's Hey Look, I Found Some More Scribbles My Dad Wrote And Probably Never Wanted Anyone To See Considering He Thought Them Crap Enough Not To Continue Them Past The Second Sentence But I Have A Cash Cow To Milk tones I haven't been following closely enough to say for sure, but either way, there's a hell of a lot more than the book to enjoy in there.

To be honest, I'd much rather they'd have done one good Hobbit film (which wouldn't actually need to be more than two hours long) and then two full on LOTR sequels with all the stuff people expect. The problem with trying to turn The Hobbit into the big EPIC film franchise is it's actually a deeply silly, fun kids book at heart.

Greg Cox · October 28 2012, 09:10 PM

Am I the only one who saw the thread title and assumed it was about the original animated versions?

Different kind of "original," I guess.

Set Harth · October 28 2012, 09:35 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Am I the only one who saw the thread title and assumed it was about the original animated versions?

No.

inflatabledalek wrote:

Tolkein Jr's Hey Look, I Found Some More Scribbles My Dad Wrote And Probably Never Wanted Anyone To See Considering He Thought Them Crap Enough Not To Continue Them Past The Second Sentence But I Have A Cash Cow To Milk tones

Captaindemotion · October 28 2012, 09:52 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Am I the only one who saw the thread title and assumed it was about the original animated versions?

Different kind of "original," I guess.

No.

As to the original question, I'm also in the 'leave-well-enough- camp. We got three brilliant films, quite possibly the strongest and most consistently good film trilogy that's been made (maybe Bourne could rival it). And now hopefully we'll get a Hobbit trilogy that is of the same or similar quality.

But I can't see how standalone adventures in Middle Earth could hope to keep to that standard and I think that they will inevitably disappoint. I'm not just thinking of the Star Wars prequels but things like the Babylon Five spin-offs. LOTR and The Hobbit are contained stories which have a beginning, middle and end. For all that Tolkien wrote about Middle Earth - and let's remember that it was his baby and he's dead now - I don't necessarily think that we need to have countless stories told about that domain.

FPAlpha · October 28 2012, 10:43 PM

God no!

I've read some of the abomination novels that were the expanded Dune universe stuff and it was horrible compared to the originals.

I don't want that to happen to LotR in a million years.

Best bet is to film some stories from the Silmarillion.. the huge battles against Morgoth (who lets Sauron look like a noob) would make for epic eyecandy interwoven with Beren and Luthien's story.

That's about it.. sometimes you just need to let things go. I don't know if Jackson has it in him to invest yet another decade into the LotR universe.

Silvercrest · October 28 2012, 11:14 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Am I the only one who saw the thread title and assumed it was about the original animated versions?

No.

Relayer1 · October 28 2012, 11:37 PM

Allyn Gibson wrote:

What would really interest me would be something that started from the two chapters Tolkien wrote of "The New Shadow," his unfinished sequel to The Lord of the Rings. However, a CJRT who isn't willing to sell the movie rights to The Silmarillion probably isn't going to sell the movie rights to "The New Shadow."

This along with Silmarillion and The History of Middle-earth material could convince me regarding further films, nothing else.

Out of interest, are Nick Perumov's Ring of Darkness novels any good, and where can I get English translations ?

Allyn Gibson · October 29 2012, 12:41 AM

Relayer1 wrote:

Out of interest, are Nick Perumov's Ring of Darkness novels any good, and where can I get English translations ?

To be honest, I have no idea if they're any good. I don't read Russian, and no English translations (except for a little of the first book) exist. The summary I've read, however, sounds like it makes a lot of sense -- a sorcerer from the East goes on a quest to gather the Nine Rings, which aren't as powerless as Tolkien claimed. (That never made sense to me, btw. The Three, Seven, and Nine were all made and empowered before the forging of the One, so the destruction of the One wouldn't have completely stripped them of their power.)

Here's a plot summary.

The complete Russian text is here.

Gaith · October 29 2012, 12:57 AM

Alidar Warlock wrote:

Gaith wrote:

[Prydain]

I would love it, but the scale is so different. It truly builds up to a great finish with The High King and the Black Cauldron is great, but some of the stories are relatively small in scale, especially The Book of Three.

Very true - which is why I suggest combining TBOT and TBC in the linked thread. Still, you're right, the scale would be much smaller, far more Original SW Trilogy than Prequel Trilogy.

Kegg · October 29 2012, 01:21 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

Different kind of "original," I guess.

Where there's a whip, Mr. Cox, there's an army of dog-nosed grey-skinned flabby orcs walking across a watercolour.

Allyn Gibson wrote:

To be honest, I have no idea if they're any good. I don't read Russian, and no English translations (except for a little of the first book) exist.

According to Wikipedia, though, Perumov followed his sale of his LOTR trilogy with a few dozen fantasy novels in his own setting(s). And really adapting stuff that is inspired by LOTR but legally distinct from it interests me a little more than original fiction by an author (Gaith's Prydain example probably relevant also here, I mostly only know of that series because of the Disney movie), because it wipes clean any frustrations or disappointments in how they handle Tolkien's subject matter.

Admiral Buzzkill · October 29 2012, 02:19 AM

I think The Asylum should buy the movie rights to the Shannara books.

Alidar Jarok · October 29 2012, 02:38 AM

Gaith wrote:

Alidar Warlock wrote:

Gaith wrote:

[Prydain]

I would love it, but the scale is so different. It truly builds up to a great finish with The High King and the Black Cauldron is great, but some of the stories are relatively small in scale, especially The Book of Three.

Very true - which is why I suggest combining TBOT and TBC in the linked thread. Still, you're right, the scale would be much smaller, far more Original SW Trilogy than Prequel Trilogy.

That's what the Disney cartoon did. I'd prefer they not go back down that road again.

Kegg · October 29 2012, 02:39 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

I think The Asylum should buy the movie rights to the Shannara books.

Sonar Entertainment is way ahead of them. Maybe they could snap up the rights to Eragon and make another showing in that.

Silvercrest · October 29 2012, 03:01 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

I think The Asylum should buy the movie rights to the Shannara books.

That... makes a disturbing amount of sense.

October 28 2012, 08:27 PM	#17
inflatabledalek Captain	Re: Original Lord of the Rings films? Well, in order to drag out The Hobbit to three full length films they're going to have be be adding lots, and lots, and lots of new stuff. Whether it's been created especially for the films or taken from Tolkein Jr's Hey Look, I Found Some More Scribbles My Dad Wrote And Probably Never Wanted Anyone To See Considering He Thought Them Crap Enough Not To Continue Them Past The Second Sentence But I Have A Cash Cow To Milk tones I haven't been following closely enough to say for sure, but either way, there's a hell of a lot more than the book to enjoy in there. To be honest, I'd much rather they'd have done one good Hobbit film (which wouldn't actually need to be more than two hours long) and then two full on LOTR sequels with all the stuff people expect. The problem with trying to turn The Hobbit into the big EPIC film franchise is it's actually a deeply silly, fun kids book at heart. __________________ TRANSFORMATION: CRAFTY [mind] BANKERS Meet the five new Autobots in my look at Rock and Roll Out! Part 1

October 28 2012, 09:10 PM	#18
Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: Original Lord of the Rings films? Am I the only one who saw the thread title and assumed it was about the original animated versions? Different kind of "original," I guess. __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

October 28 2012, 10:43 PM	#21
FPAlpha Rear Admiral Location: Mannheim, Germany	Re: Original Lord of the Rings films? God no! I've read some of the abomination novels that were the expanded Dune universe stuff and it was horrible compared to the originals. I don't want that to happen to LotR in a million years. Best bet is to film some stories from the Silmarillion.. the huge battles against Morgoth (who lets Sauron look like a noob) would make for epic eyecandy interwoven with Beren and Luthien's story. That's about it.. sometimes you just need to let things go. I don't know if Jackson has it in him to invest yet another decade into the LotR universe. __________________ "A control freak like you with something you can't control? No no.. that's gonna be more fun than shark week!" Det. Javier Esposito

October 29 2012, 02:19 AM	#27
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Original Lord of the Rings films? I think The Asylum should buy the movie rights to the Shannara books. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

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